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Apple Tops Holiday Sales With 44% of All New Device Activations
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Let me first make it clear that I am not an Apple naysayer. They are pulling in money hand over fist. But in the interest of avoiding biases I have to ask, why do you trust the findings of this report over other sources? It's not clear how this data was collected or how accurate it is.
Well that and pre x-mas I saw a fair amount of sales on them. Not sure how many vendors work it, with the military exchange systems you can see apple's older stuff out for a while next to the new stuff. Saw some nice deals on the older stuff to entice the holiday spirit.
Why I'd like more meat to the numbers. Since a safe bet iOS activation a big part of this...whats the breakdown. IE. latest and greatest IPP's that don't have as much sale price margin versus well, you know, an older ipad series the PX/BX is just happy to see finally not in stock anymore so can sell for borderline loss leader setup.
I know a sale is a sale...but I'd gather apple would like more IPP's running around. Is that the case I wonder?
Apple sold 4.9 million Macs with revenue of $5.7 billion in the 4th quarter on aging models. That's not chump change even it pales in comparison to iOS devices. Apple doesn't compete in the PC market. There are millions of devoted Mac customers who wouldn't consider using a Windows device. You see more and more students with Mac's in coffee shops. I can remember before "I'm a Mac" ads, iPods and iPhone how you rarely saw Mac's in the wild and now they are everywhere.
Frankly, I don't think it's "little interest", it's just that there's not much more to do with the traditional desktop an laptop. Like Jobs said (paraphrased).. desktops (and now laptops) are like trucks and do the heavy lifting. The light stuff can be done on a mobile device. Not many people want to be able to draw on their desktop or laptop screen so whatever Microsoft is doing maybe cute it certainly doesn't have widespread utility yet.
Sorry, then, I misunderstood your intent.
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Yes they do. They have to and will release sales in their next quarterly report for iPhones, iPads, MacBooks, etc. They don't release individual device sales for the "minor" items like routers, ATV, AW, etc., because they can report those under "other."
I think he was asking the methodology of measuring the number of activation, not the definition of activation.
If the method was flawed, then the results would be worthless .
And when the new, larger iPhones were just rumors on here lots of people complained about the bigger size and insisted that nobody would buy an iPhone that big. Yet that is the biggest segment now and Apple would be foolish to not have a competing device.
The mac business makes billions of dollars profit annually. It is extremely valuable still.
wow.... look at the size of that bar..!!
You could even point out the number of activations, would also relate to the switchers as well.. a.k.a More activations would also mean more users on iPhone/tablets.
But that doesn't always mean they would stay
You could even point out the number of activations, would also relate to the switchers as well.. a.k.a More activations would also mean more users on iPhone/tablets.
But that doesn't always mean they would stay
I wonder how many people are like me and wish Apple had not focused at all on the mac line?
What I mean to say I wish Apple had left the 13",15" MacBook Pros alone and just updated
the processors,videocard,SSd, and ram and left the form factor alone.
And do the same thing with the iMac,theMac Pro, and the MINI,
We want powerful machines that do work!
How much would they have saved
by not re-engineering the MacBook pros? Maybe even been able to release a more powerful mac
for the same or less money?
If they want to make something slim and and a fashion statement ,leave that for the
macbook airs, for the hipsters
Sure, I'm not familiar with Flurry's analytical methods. No carrier or smartphone OEM produces their sale stat during the x-mas period that Flurry claims to have data, but some of them do regularly publish their quarterly sales data. So has Flurry ever published their quarterly "new activations" against those published by OEMs or carriers themselves? Are they accurate? If their figures are close to the true sales figures, I would admit that their "app downloads" is a good proxy for the smartphone sales/new device activation. But then again, both Apple and Google do keep track of their activation numbers, so why even bother with Flurry's guesstimates, which can be a useful tool if you are an app developer, but not much else?
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This reflects new phones in the USA? How about a global perspective? I'm pretty sure Huawei would top the list.
Apple's anti-consumer attitude and terrible maps, integration with my car, missing 3.5 jack, and other little quirks pushed me to get a Huawei Mate 9 last week. I am blown away so far, great spell prediction, 3.5 jack, Apple Music works great with my car over BT, fully charged in 30 min, easier to view screen, finger scanner is laser fast.. 2 SIM cards which is great for travel (everytime I change my SIM on my iPhone my iCloud gets locked and my iMessage goes bonkers) only missing iMessage and Notes.
My opinion, Apple pushes consumers to try Android and they like it.. it's more mature now, has great features, isn't so restrictive, and works better in a lot of the day to day ways.
But Apple will get thinner
Apple's anti-consumer attitude and terrible maps, integration with my car, missing 3.5 jack, and other little quirks pushed me to get a Huawei Mate 9 last week. I am blown away so far, great spell prediction, 3.5 jack, Apple Music works great with my car over BT, fully charged in 30 min, easier to view screen, finger scanner is laser fast.. 2 SIM cards which is great for travel (everytime I change my SIM on my iPhone my iCloud gets locked and my iMessage goes bonkers) only missing iMessage and Notes.
My opinion, Apple pushes consumers to try Android and they like it.. it's more mature now, has great features, isn't so restrictive, and works better in a lot of the day to day ways.
But Apple will get thinner
The iPhone business is great. If post-holiday stock is any indication, the Apple Watch 2 sold out across the US.
The thing that puts the last nail in the coffin: Xcode for Windows. The day Apple releases that product, the mac line is officially abandoned.
Until that happens, Apple will continue to update the mac since with no macs, no Xcode, no developers and no apps to drive the sale of i-devices.
I said sale numbers, not sales as in monetary terms.
Apple used to state how many handsets they sold etc but not anymore as far as I am aware.
I assume an IMEI number (unique ID for each device) being registered on an LTE network. That would be a good way to count how many people are buying and using each device.
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I don't think anyone cares about iPads anymore.
I don't want Google to sell them in the ship loads, I like being the only person I know with one.
Exactly! Of course this is an US survey, and yet people reply as if it were worldwide. iOS is very popular in the US, Canada and Australia, much less so in the rest of the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
I don't know if they produce their numbers at other times (not really interested in that aspect of their data). Usually if the manufacturer produces numbers, third parties will only release their inferred numbers in cases where the manufacturers numbers may not be reliable. For example where a manufacturer counts shipments to retailers as sales. Otherwise its largely a pointless exercise when there's a more reliable data set available.
In the absence of manufacturers own data such inferred data, where there is likely to be a strong correlation, is useful for shareholders/investors/market analysts/etc. Say Apple and Samsung were the other way around this year, you may well have seen a dump of Apple stock. It may also have pushed them to release their own numbers.
For Flurry themselves its a marketing exercise of course
. Whilst you may be sceptical, Flurry's core business is collection and dissemination of data. Moreover, they are also heavily involved in ad tracking/monetisation, so advertisers rely on them to track impressions/clicks. Therefore, I doubt they would engage in any nefarious activity for the sake of a bit of publicity. If caught it would call into question their credibility which would impact their core business. If they've released these figures, they must believe they are representative.[doublepost=1482919209][/doublepost]
They don't have access to the network or their activation data.
They provide analytic tools for App makers and also track/verify ad impressions/clicks and other monetisation.
As part of this when you install an App using Flurry analytics/monetisation tools, it takes a fingerprint of your device to identify it uniquely. Thats what they're using to calculate new activations during the defined period.
Isn't the narrative that Apple is out of touch? If "the numbers" show Apple in decline then that fits the narrative and no reason to question it.
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For any other company, sure. But, this is Apple. I mean, comon half or more of the posts to this website lament how much profit apple makes on their products. Oh woe unto Apple, perhaps their Macs only make them 40% profit. Time to axe that division and introduce more watchbands!
That's in your opinion but then you would get all the people complaining about Apple only making spec changes and personally I love my new 2016 MacBook ProI wonder how many people are like me and wish Apple had not focused at all on the mac line?
What I mean to say I wish Apple had left the 13",15" MacBook Pros alone and just updated
the processors,videocard,SSd, and ram and left the form factor alone.
And do the same thing with the iMac,theMac Pro, and the MINI,
We want powerful machines that do work!
How much would they have saved
by not re-engineering the MacBook pros? Maybe even been able to release a more powerful mac
for the same or less money?
If they want to make something slim and and a fashion statement ,leave that for the
macbook airs, for the hipsters
"Medium phones" are defined as 3.5-4.9 inches, so the SE does not fall outside that threshold, and therefore has nothing to do with the 1%.