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But how does this third party get access to such info? Are Apple and Google happily turning over our data to them?

Others have speculated about the specifics of it and they probably know more than I do. But if the data did come directly from Apple and Google, they wouldn't need to be sharing any data about the users, just how many there are.
 
exactly... 44% iOS is as idiotic as if I flip this around and say 56% of activation are not iOS devices (Doom). Or that Apple saw a 5% decline year over year. All would be nonsense without the base number.
You don't need a base number for this. This is about relative performance. Of all the devices sold this holiday, 44% were iPhones. I think that's a meaningful number.

You only need a base number to figure out whether "growth" is meaningful, not relative performance.
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Relative percentages really mean nothing without knowing the total number of devices each year.
Like the values released by 'netcraft' they are meaningless.
And this site things this is news? Pah.
you don't need a total device number for relative performance figures. That's the whole point of relative performance!

In fact, the total device number would be distracting because how does anyone know what is a good number of devices to sell a year? Relative data like tells us specifically about market share in a specific period. That is very meaningful (if collected correctly).
 
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What does this even mean? I'd doubt any manufacturer would release "smart device activation" information to a third party like this so I do wonder about the legitimacy of the assertion. How do they track "app downloads from the [...] apps" too? Do these apps themselves have some dubious device collection stats that are furnished to the third party?

Either go to their site: flurry.com. Google App analytics (I believe there are some relevant wiki pages).

Or refer back to my previous post which gives a basic explanation: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...vice-activations.2024229/page-4#post-24125731

But in short Flurry provide analytics tools/ad monetisation tracking which App Devs integrate into their Apps to assist with debugging/retention/user behaviour analysis/monetisation through ads. And that includes some popular Apps, I believe they list Snapchat on their site under customers.
 
You must not read the quarterly reports or the news articles on them--Apple has always reported sales numbers and continues to do so, here's a quick example I pulled up from 2015, but they do it every quarter. As a PTC, they are in essence required to.

"Apple was expected to sell 67 million iPhone units during the quarter, which would have been quite the improvement over the 51 million the company sold during the same period a year earlier. Instead, Apple moved 74.5 million of the smartphones during the quarter . . .

Meanwhile, iPad sales slipped about 18% in the first quarter, to 21.4 million units sold after the company released new iterations of its iPad Air and iPad mini tablets. Mac sales increased, slightly, to 5.5 million units sold."
Is it just iPad and iPhone sales they give?
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They report numbers sold every quarter.
I guess I was assuming that not giving watch sales numbers translated to other items, guess I was wrong there...
 
I don't know if they produce their numbers at other times (not really interested in that aspect of their data). Usually if the manufacturer produces numbers, third parties will only release their inferred numbers in cases where the manufacturers numbers may not be reliable. For example where a manufacturer counts shipments to retailers as sales. Otherwise its largely a pointless exercise when there's a more reliable data set available.

In the absence of manufacturers own data such inferred data, where there is likely to be a strong correlation, is useful for shareholders/investors/market analysts/etc. Say Apple and Samsung were the other way around this year, you may well have seen a dump of Apple stock. It may also have pushed them to release their own numbers.

For Flurry themselves its a marketing exercise of course :). Whilst you may be sceptical, Flurry's core business is collection and dissemination of data. Moreover, they are also heavily involved in ad tracking/monetisation, so advertisers rely on them to track impressions/clicks. Therefore, I doubt they would engage in any nefarious activity for the sake of a bit of publicity. If caught it would call into question their credibility which would impact their core business. If they've released these figures, they must believe they are representative.
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Yep, there are now tons of app/ad/sales analytic tools out there -- marketing drives sales and business. So there are plenty of incentive for them to claim to know something they really don't.

They could publish their quarterly data which then can be compared against smartphone OEM's quarterly and settle this credibility debate once and for all, but Flurry probably wouldn't want to do that (and risk their reputation), right? There are plenty of folks who want to know the true activation numbers out there which only Apple/Google insiders are privy to. But, now, that's something that would definitely offend Google/Apple (and their investors). Apple does go after smartphones analysts time to time, though it never discourages any from publishing their next guesstimate every year.
 
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Either go to their site: flurry.com. Google App analytics (I believe there are some relevant wiki pages).

Or refer back to my previous post which gives a basic explanation: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...vice-activations.2024229/page-4#post-24125731

But in short Flurry provide analytics tools/ad monetisation tracking which App Devs integrate into their Apps to assist with debugging/retention/user behaviour analysis/monetisation through ads. And that includes some popular Apps, I believe they list Snapchat on their site under customers.

So they're more spyware than anything else by the sounds of it. I never understood this obsession to spy on users. If you want to know my thoughts or opinions on your app then pay me. My opinion isn't free.
 
The appeal of large phones is one of those mysteries to me. Like, why do some people use their phones whilst on the toilet, why smoke cigarettes, where does the internet come from.
 
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