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I can't wait for the new iWork for Mac more than anything else today...provided they don't cripple the software. I want fully parity between Mac and iOS. None of this lack of features nonsense like it exists today, and opening copies of files. They have had plenty of years to get this thing in order by now.
 
They discontinued a (beta) product, and left it online for well over a year after they announced it was closing.

If you want to pick fault at least pick fault with something worth it.

iWork for iCloud is also in beta, why is it OK to pick at that but not Wave?
 
iWork for iCloud is also in beta, why is it OK to pick at that but not Wave?

You compared the closure of a service (Wave), with a long warning period beforehand, with the unannounced, yet clearly planned, maintenance of another service (iWork) during business hours in Europe and North America.

They're not even comparable.

You could say that the MobileMe shutdown and Wave were similar - because both of them were services that closed down after giving users plenty of warning.
 
"I want fully parity between Mac and iOS. None of this lack of features nonsense like it exists today, and opening copies of files. They have had plenty of years to get this thing in order by now."

Couldn't agree more.
 
I know iWork for iCloud is in beta and all, but if Apple really wants people to use this for real work they need to learn that a multiple-hour outage in the middle of the work day is not acceptable. I don't care if they're adding "exciting" new features that are "revolutionary." When it comes to productivity apps, reliability trumps new features. They need to learn to do these roll outs without shutting the service down for an indeterminate time. I sure don't seem to recall Google ever doing this. This kind of move just screams that the whole thing is nothing more than a service used by toys, even if it is in beta.

Got to agree with this one. I just realized that I've basically lost access to the presentation I was going to give at noon. I've been working on it from my workstation via iCloud Keynote, but the plan was to use the AppleTV in our conference room to put it up in the screen using my iPad (which I've done many times before).

iCloud is great while it works and all, but lately it seems like it's just been lulling me into a false sense of security and then causing a scramble when it fails.
 
Am seriously thinking of upgrading to Mavericks when it is released...
 
An hour is an hour. A short hour is an hour you want someone else to experience. A long hour is one you yourself are experiencing.
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I've been using icloud/Pages and it's been working great across the desktop, mini and iphone
 
Got to agree with this one. I just realized that I've basically lost access to the presentation I was going to give at noon. I've been working on it from my workstation via iCloud Keynote, but the plan was to use the AppleTV in our conference room to put it up in the screen using my iPad (which I've done many times before).

iCloud is great while it works and all, but lately it seems like it's just been lulling me into a false sense of security and then causing a scramble when it fails.

If you have iCloud Documents and Data enabled on your iPad, you can open the document with the iOS app.

The only part that is offline right now is editing documents on iCloud.com. You can even still download documents from the web.
 
Lesson for the future: Don't use BETA software for your work ! :rolleyes:

Sorry, but just because a company slaps the "BETA" tag on something, that doesn't mean they have free reign to schedule major outages during hours of heaviest usage with no prior announcement. Also, it's one thing when you're talking about gimmick features like Siri which don't really affect your ability to do work. But we're talking about a productivity product here, and I don't think it's unreasonable for users to have an expectation that PLANNED outages occur during times of light usage and are announced in advance. Even for a beta product.

You are forgetting that this is a Web App, servers crash, and people don't expect the same reliability as they do with a desktop application (which Apple offers).

As for your other point, complain about it during those shutdowns, this one is a Beta so Apple are allowed wiggle room.

I'm not forgetting it's a Web App at all. I'm also not forgetting that people lose their minds when Amazon's or Google's services go down unexpectedly, even though they generally have an uptime in excess of 99%.

Why shouldn't they? The whole point of these services is wide availability - other sites manage to have major overhauls with minimal downtime. When did Facebook or Google last have a planned shutdown period scheduled to last several hours during business hours in Europe and the US?

Apple seems to want the attention that their service shutdowns bring more than anything else.

This is true. Valid point. They should finish their "final touches" overnight.

Then how does Google pull it off? By not releasing exclusive Beta access before release? Would rather compensate one day for the exclusivity of it.

These three illustrate my point exactly. I'm not saying that Apple can't take the service down for maintenance. I'm saying that they shouldn't do it in the middle of the day with no warning.

I currently manage the deployment of network software (available via itranet usually) on client site. Even when our clients have a PILOT deployment (i.e. just kicking the tires, not using it for real work) we notify them in advance of every outage and schedule them during off hours. If we did any different they would be calling us up and complaining very loudly. And this is when he have maybe a dozen users at that particular client. Why does Apple get a pass when they likely have millions of users already?
 
I'm not saying that Apple can't take the service down for maintenance. I'm saying that they shouldn't do it in the middle of the day with no warning.

Was the icloud iwork ever released? I thought it was a beta. If they did this with an official version fielded then yes, I would see your very valid point. But they get a pass being that it was only for developers to beta test at this point.
 
Was the icloud iwork ever released? I thought it was a beta. If they did this with an official version fielded then yes, I would see your very valid point. But they get a pass being that it was only for developers to beta test at this point.

They pretty much opened up the beta to everyone.

Edited to add: Also, whenever Siri went down the fact that it was in beta didn't stop anyone from complaining.
 
i don't use aperture anymore because it's so freaking slow on my mac. i do hope that there's still a aperture x coming out. many thought logic is dead too and then it came as x. fingers crossed

I know. It's unbelievable. I installed it on the most expensive macbook retina. And it's so slow. There was a time that i bought a Mac for ilife and their other software, but not anymore. Apple should update iLife very fast, it was an unique selling point for a long time.
 
I know iWork for iCloud is in beta and all, but if Apple really wants people to use this for real work they need to learn that a multiple-hour outage in the middle of the work day is not acceptable. I don't care if they're adding "exciting" new features that are "revolutionary." When it comes to productivity apps, reliability trumps new features. They need to learn to do these roll outs without shutting the service down for an indeterminate time. I sure don't seem to recall Google ever doing this. This kind of move just screams that the whole thing is nothing more than a service used by toys, even if it is in beta.

If the documents are all that earth shatteringly important I wouldn't be relying on a beta version of an internet version of the software. I would have the document on my device with the application installed on the device. Also keep in mind that Apple is located on the WEST Coast of the United States. What may be the middle of the business day for us on the east coast is just the morning to them. In regards to Google, there is a difference, apple products simply work, google, like windows is iffy at best. I would prefer them bringing the system down and doing the upgrade rather than trying to do it while it is up and running the way Google does it.
 
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