Apple Touts U.S. Impact of 2.4 Million Jobs

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple is directly or indirectly responsible for creating a total of 2.4 million jobs in the United States, the company announced today.

    Apple says that this is four times the number of American jobs that were attributable to the company compared to eight years ago, and that it is on pace to directly contribute $350 billion to the U.S. economy as announced last year.


    That 2.4 million figure includes Apple's own employees and those at U.S. companies that create components for Apple devices or otherwise work at Apple, such as battery testing company Maccor and modem company Broadcom, which has a manufacturing facility in Colorado.

    Apple also works with Texas company Finisar, and since getting $390 million as part of Apple's Advanced Manufacturing Fund, Finisar is on track to fill 500 full-time positions. Finisar will soon begin shipping the VCSELs used to power Face ID. According to Apple, it spent a collective $60 billion across 9,000 American companies in 2018.

    The App Store, says Apple, is responsible for 1.9 million American jobs, up by 325,000 over the course of the last 2.5 years.
    Apple itself currently employs 90,000 employees across 50 states and is on track to create 20,000 new jobs across the U.S. by 2023 with new campuses in Seattle and San Diego.

    Article Link: Apple Touts U.S. Impact of 2.4 Million Jobs
  2. now i see it, Aug 15, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2019

    now i see it macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
    if i sell one copy of my flashlight app for $.99 cents, is apple providing me with a job?

    They'd say yes
  3. Rogifan macrumors Core


    Nov 14, 2011
    “Altogether, Apple is responsible for creating and supporting 2.4 million US jobs across all 50 states, four times the number of American jobs attributable to the company eight years ago.”

    How are they defining “creating and supporting”? Is the Fed-Ex driver who delivers an iPhone to someone’s house captured in that 2.4M figure? I’m assuming using their logic lots of companies could claim big numbers like this.
  4. Jimmy James macrumors 601

    Jimmy James

    Oct 26, 2008
  5. WBRacing macrumors 65816

    Nov 19, 2012
    That there is a masterclass in statistical spin.
  6. -DMN- macrumors newbie


    Jan 21, 2019
    Good!! Now lets get the low volume Mac Pro made in the US!
  7. NickName99 macrumors 6502


    Nov 8, 2018
    According to the comments this is apparently awful news
  8. JPack macrumors 601


    Mar 27, 2017
  9. JPack macrumors 601


    Mar 27, 2017
    Seems like Apple defines it as, if they give even a dollar of revenue to another company, they are supporting them.
  10. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

    Andres Cantu

    May 31, 2015
    Rio Grande Valley in South Texas
    So in other words, it’s their way of saying don’t impact our business with China trade war anymore because there’s jobs at stake, which is a fair point.
  11. now i see it macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
    based on something somewhat like the "butterfly effect" anyone who buys anything, let's say a chocolate bar or a gallon of gas or a screw at a hardware store is supporting almost an uncountable number of people in an ever convoluted intertwined web of interdependent exchanges.
    This apple jobs stat is just more of their never ending spin.
    Granted, they do actually employ people, but 2.4 million? ? ?
  12. citysnaps macrumors 601

    Oct 10, 2011
    San Francisco
    That can be done. You just need to be willing to pay more money when you purchase your Mac Pro. You're buying one, right?
    --- Post Merged, Aug 15, 2019 ---
    It's only spin when you choose to cherry pick pieces of information out of the story. But then, in that situation, you're creating the spin.
  13. Rogifan macrumors Core


    Nov 14, 2011
    So basically then every fortune 500 company employees millions of people.
  14. swingerofbirch macrumors 68040

    Oct 24, 2003
    The Amalgamated States of Central North America
    While I think all corporations are out for themselves, I think Apple is more than most.

    The number of employees they have per their revenue is very low compared to other similar tech companies.

    I "worked for" Apple in a couple of capacities but was not employed by them, even though if you called AppleCare or the Apple Store you would have gotten me on the phone.

    They did not pay into Social Security. I had to pay double the normal Social Security rate because I was not an employee.

    A lot of their contractors run rackets and Apple pits the contractors against each other so there are really no labor laws being followed.

    I initially "worked for" Apple after a government agency for people with disabilities pointed me to Arise as a company that "employed" people with disabilities.

    Apple contracted Arise. Arise contracts "corporations." But the corporations are one person. I was walked through the process of incorporating myself by Arise. In doing so, Arise was able to contract my corporation (which was just me) to provide work for Apple. I had to pay for training, Internet service, and a monthly fee to Arise to access the network.

    The training was the exact same training real Apple employees received. I had to pretend to be an Apple employee in a call center to customers.

    It was extremely cut-throat. We received daily e-mails about how bad of a job we were doing and to increase our stats or that Apple would dump us. There were quite a few companies also contracted by Apple for AppleCare and the Apple Store.

    One other huge problem was that I was given the exact wrong information about being allowed to work with my disability benefits. I was told I could work under Ticket to Work. However, that only applied to people with SSDI and not SSI. Unfortunately even government offices are not very familiar with all of the rules regarding the various programs.

    I had to pay back every dollar I earned while working for Apple.

    I was terminated along with my entire entering class right around Christmas anyway. Given no reason. I believe it's because Arise made a lot of money from charging for training which was part of their business model, so it made financial sense to have high churn.

    I've tried contacting Apple many times in many ways to tell them about the deplorable practices. But they have never responded to me.

    They were able to skirt every labor law in existence. While I did everything an employee does for customers, I was considered a business being contracted by a contractor. What sort of business do you have to train in the exact method of helping your customers? And what sort of business do you give access to your internal AppleCare and Web Sales tools? That's not a business. That's an employee, in everything but name.

    I do like many Apple products, but when it comes to their business practices there's not much about them I don't find disgusting.
  15. Mac Fly (film), Aug 15, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2019 at 1:42 AM

    Mac Fly (film) macrumors 65816

    Mac Fly (film)

    Feb 12, 2006
    Not to sound all negative, but how do they define a “job”? $50 per year?

    How about Apple average the normal amount of work hours in one year in the US and multiply that number by $10 and call app developers who earn that amount or greater a “job”, then we see them recalculate how many jobs have they have created. Wouldn’t surprise me to see that number divided in 10.
  16. small_CAPS macrumors newbie


    Mar 2, 2019
    I'd be more interested to see how much they pay their folks compared to the national average.
  17. I7guy macrumors Core


    Nov 30, 2013
    Gotta be in it to win it
    Regardless of many of the snarky comments in the thread I’m and sure Apple is directly and indirectly responsible for many jobs.
  18. LuciusWrong macrumors member

    Jun 24, 2019
    Did they count Louis Rossman's job in their estimate? :)
  19. LeeW macrumors 6502a


    Feb 5, 2017
    Glasgow, Scotland
    All the crap aside in this thread, 2.4m jobs is a big deal, for 2.4m and their families.
  20. mcfrazieriv macrumors 6502a


    Jan 30, 2012
    Irvine, CA
    4 times the amount of jobs compared to 8 years ago. Gee, I wonder why they'd publicize that number? To prove that Tim Cook's Apple grew since Jobs died.
    Nice try Timmy. More People ≠ Better Products. When WWDC seemingly focused on customized Memojies and a dark UI mode... smh.

    Becoming a bloated whale makes it impossible to compete with sharks.

    Why isn't this post classified in the politics forum? It's Apple talking about the impact on the jobs of the US market. There's reasons for articles like this and the timing isn't unplanned.
  21. pweicks macrumors regular


    Dec 23, 2016
  22. TotalMacMove macrumors 6502


    Jun 18, 2013
    This must partially explain why calling apple support has proven to be helpful 0/10 times.
  23. MiniMoney macrumors newbie

    Jul 22, 2011
    I suppose they consider hiring a H1-B visa worker to be creating a job in the U.S. o_O It isn't in my book.
  24. thevault macrumors member


    Feb 11, 2019
  25. kingofwale macrumors 6502a


    Apr 24, 2010
    and 20 million jobs (directly and indirectly) created in China....

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