It's not their logic.
It's a scenario you invented and then proceeded as if were a fact.
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Apple Touts U.S. Impact of 2.4 Million Jobs
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It's a scenario you invented and then proceeded as if were a fact.
It's so adorable. So many here are frothing for a gotcha moment to jump on with a "yeah but..." or some other juvenile snark. While oblivious that Apple with its range of products and 132,000+ worldwide employees (roughly half retail) and its remarkable success creates an enormous footprint of trickle down employment needed to support Apple and its products/operations.
Provide your number and supporting analysis.
You guys are hilarious with your hate. Without successful big business, the economy collapses.
They forgot to mention that all those App Developer "Jobs" they made they tax 30% of the developers income before the IRS can jump on and take their ~30% also. Oh and despite this rent seeking arrangement they don't have to provide medical, social benefits and get to completely run the life of the app developer and micromanage how he runs his business. Nice one. Apple are basically a modern version of a company town. Theres a thin line between 'job creato'r and rent seeking shitlords, let's get that right.
2.4 million jobs total. Apple employees 90,000 of that number...so Apple is directly employing about 1/25th of 2.4million.
If Apple sales fell a tad...say 2%...even if Apple quietly laid off 100 employees, you still have alllll those other people Apple is magically counting that STILL WORK...the UPS/Fedex/USPS drivers, the people who deliver office supplies to Apple locations, the mall security guard that still strolls by the Apple Store every hour, the guy who pumps the gas for all 90,900 employees, the lady at Burger King who takes the order from the Apple mall employees, etc.
Nobody is going to adjust presidential political agenda over 100 jobs.
Wow.I suppose they consider hiring a H1-B visa worker to be creating a job in the U.S.It isn't in my book.
So any with valid legal working visa working INSIDE USA borders does not have a job inside the USA?
Are you seriously hating on a foreigner who’s passion and drive and willing to take education more seriously than sit on their ass and complain n point fingers of why they got a job that a born citizen cannot/could not as your stance?
That line of thinking is exactly why they’re getting jobs and the a typical USA citizen or any citizen of any country is not: attitude and lack of drive. Get over it. Adjust and stay driven and be grateful you have many benefits they’ll most likely never see based on their visa.
Just my opinion based on the Fact that Apple has become one of the world's most profitable companies with a "Music Player" Ipod and a Phone.
Incredible Really.
Really incredible indeed! Just goes to show what can happen when you revolutionize the computer, music and phone industriesJust my opinion based on the Fact that Apple has become one of the world's most profitable companies with a "Music Player" Ipod and a Phone.
Incredible Really.
You are uninformed. Common thought among some crowds, but 100% wrong. Some developers try to play this angle for sympathy, knowing it’s intellectually dishonest.
Every retail business takes a cut. 30% is far from outrageous, and well within line of most retailers.
Apple builds and maintains the stores (physical and virtual), it’s not just rent, they deserve a cut because they are actively helping present, sell and distribute the product once it leaves the developers’ hands.
Walmart creates millions of jobs. Not well paying jobs. But still jobs. So saying Apple creates a-lot of jobs is misleading. The question is how many jobs do they create where someone can have a livable wage?
It may comfort you that Apple terminated their agreement with Arise a while back following a class action lawsuit by contractors like you in California whistleblowing these practices as “employee right avoidance”. The matter was settled out of court. The Gig Economy model has deep flaws in this respect and there is a huge backlash from workers against those corporations that use and abuse them (Uber, Deliveroo, etc)
Developers don't have to use the platform, they can create their own and have complete control if they want...
I'm not sure how anyone can complain about the number of jobs Apple supplies.
I would also have to agree that this article discussion thread should probably be moved to PRSI.
How can people discuss Apple's job impact without mentioning anything about the US economy (i.e. political) ?
You’ve demonstrated why Apple engages in this misleading spin bordering on falsification. The marketers and lawyers construct this lobbying to avoid technical lies while encouraging the reader to make incorrect assumptions, such as that above.
How many of those 1.9 million developer ”jobs” pay more than pocket change, if anything at all considering the annual developer fee to publish? The vast majority would not earn a living or even close to it. It’s beyond arrogant for Apple to suggest they‘re “responsible” for 1.9m developer jobs. Enabled maybe, at a stretch. Does Apple offer these developers any kind of job and income security, sick leave, holiday pay or other benefits? Using the word “responsible” is very deliberate. Apple runs its App Store so they have some responsibility sure, but it’s not responsible for the jobs of app developers who can manage to make a living from their platform.
Most developers develop for multiple platforms, so does Apple employ a developer if their income is earnt predominantly through other platforms or sources? How many of those 2.4 million are full-time equivalent (and paying) jobs directly employed or earnt solely through Apple?
By rolling 1.9 million developers into the figure of 2.3m jobs when it’s both not at all clear if many of them are even jobs; and Apple did’t create or employ the people even indirectly is gross arrogance and complete nonsense, but they’ll keep doing it so long as people don’t think critically and fall into the traps they sett without questing.
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But their products are designs in California! LOL
Obviously Apple is compensating, because so many of their manufacturing jobs reside out of the US. There should be an article called "Apple will do anything for a dollar. Literally, anything."
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Hook, line and sinker. GULP
Obviously Apple is compensating, because so many of their manufacturing jobs reside out of the US. There should be an article called "Apple will do anything for a dollar. Literally, anything."
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Hook, line and sinker. GULP
Tim Cook is applying Donald Trump type logic to avoid tariffs on already too expensive iPhones & iPads. Also trying to play down and obfuscate the vast extent of it's NON USA mfg/assembly operations. Apple is trying to make us believe it's a "Made in USA" company.
Using TC's logic, if I buy any $.99 app I must be providing X number of those 2.4M people's jobs too.
Companies do not create jobs, period, full stop. Demand; consumers are what create jobs. No demand, no jobs, that simple.
1.9m of the 2.4 are app devs. Apple provides about ~90,000 jobs. Full stop.
This is cynical puffery in the extreme. Coupled with the cult like image in this article, it paints a picture of a company constructing an alternative reality and trying to get followers to believe it.
No it doesn’t.
Imagine apple disappeared tomorrow. You don’t suppose that would have a big effect on the U.S. economy and put a lot of people out of work?
That’s all they’re saying. They report these numbers every once in awhile. It’s fine. You’d have to have quite a grudge and be pretty conspiracy-minded to care.