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No it doesn’t.

Imagine apple disappeared tomorrow. You don’t suppose that would have a big effect on the U.S. economy and put a lot of people out of work?

Apple implies 2.4 million people would be out of work. I doubt even the most rabid fan believes that. That leaves us with what I said it was: cynical puffery in the extreme, intended to create a narrative where Apple is indispensable.

They are not. That's not conspiracy, that's reality.
 
Apple implies 2.4 million people would be out of work. I doubt even the most rabid fan believes that. That leaves us with what I said it was: cynical puffery in the extreme, intended to create a narrative where Apple is indispensable.

They are not. That's not conspiracy, that's reality.
I believe 2.4 million people might have to find new work (or the companies they work for would have to find new products to sell to new customers). Don’t you?

Do you evidence to contradict what apple is saying?
 
I believe 2.4 million people might have to find new work (or the companies they work for would have to find new products to sell to new customers). Don’t you?

Do you evidence to contradict what apple is saying?

Apple employs 90,000 employees in the US. It's in the article. Those are 90,000 who would have to look for new employment. Not 2.4 million. Those 2.4 million are not exclusively or even primarily dependent on Apple.

But, you stated clearly you believe Apple's hype. Go forth and buy lots of Apple products in the belief it is necessary to keep the US economy from collapse. I own Apple stock, that will benefit me. It just won't convince me of something that is not true.
 
The App Store, says Apple, is responsible for 1.9 million American jobs

Unless / Until Apple releases "per-Category" Revenue Numbers for the App Store, it's just more of the same, Smoke & Mirrors / Ponzi Scheme / (a) Dog & Pony Show !

I personally don't believe anything Cook OR Schiller publicly states "unless they back it up with (real) Proof" !
 
if i sell one copy of my flashlight app for $.99 cents, is apple providing me with a job?

They'd say yes
You forgot 30% commission!
[doublepost=1565977297][/doublepost]Why Apple has to justify its existence? Do we care how many jobs they create or support? Is anybody asking them? Why other companies don't do that? Seems like Apple just wants to be in the news cycle.
 
Wow.

So any with valid legal working visa working INSIDE USA borders does not have a job inside the USA?

Are you seriously hating on a foreigner who’s passion and drive and willing to take education more seriously than sit on their ass and complain n point fingers of why they got a job that a born citizen cannot/could not as your stance?

That line of thinking is exactly why they’re getting jobs and the a typical USA citizen or any citizen of any country is not: attitude and lack of drive. Get over it. Adjust and stay driven and be grateful you have many benefits they’ll most likely never see based on their visa.
Wow.

You make derogatory statements about U.S. citizens but I’m the one filled with hate?!?!

A man in the tech industry told me that “half of the H1-B visa tech workers aren’t any good.”. You probably think it was a MAGA hat wearing hater. No, it was a gentleman that was a H1-B visa tech worker and became a U.S. citizen through marriage. He lost his job in the next layoffs. After becoming a citizen, his rare and highly technical skills mysteriously were no longer highly valued and sought. He’s the same person as before and with more skills. If the “tech talent shortage” were true, he could have got a job the next day. It’s strange how it took him nearly a year to get another job. Are you going to try to sell me on the idea that becoming a U.S. citizen magically transformed him from a being a highly educated person with passion and drive into one that sits on his ass, complaining and pointing fingers? If so, I’m not buying it.

Someone that has lived the experience of being both an H1-B visa and U.S. tech worker has a lot of credibility. I don’t give merit to the beliefs of someone sitting in Canada reading media propaganda generated by the giant U.S. tech companies.

If this “tech talent shortage” were as dire as these companies claim, Computer Science graduates would be instantly hired out of college and older tech workers wouldn’t have trouble getting jobs. Also, interviews would be two hours instead of six or more. No one was born knowing these new technologies. Anyone that has a C.S. degree and/or years of tech experience can learn them. The dirty little secret is that these visas aren’t about a lack of skills, it’s about keeping labor costs down.

I’ve lived long enough to know that continuing to discuss this with someone like you would be a waste of time. I also know that getting in the last word doesn’t make someone right. If you decide to persist in trying to get a response from me, it only proves to me that you’re unable to comprehend my two previous sentences.


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By “someone like you”, I mean someone that takes any view that’s not in line with their own and labels it as “hate speech”.
 
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Wow.

So any with valid legal working visa working INSIDE USA borders does not have a job inside the USA?

Are you seriously hating on a foreigner who’s passion and drive and willing to take education more seriously than sit on their ass and complain n point fingers of why they got a job that a born citizen cannot/could not as your stance?

That line of thinking is exactly why they’re getting jobs and the a typical USA citizen or any citizen of any country is not: attitude and lack of drive. Get over it. Adjust and stay driven and be grateful you have many benefits they’ll most likely never see based on their visa.


Companies are always looking for cheap labor.......comprehend:rolleyes: Your line of thinking is extremely naive and a bit ignorant. While I agree that there's a percentage of US citizens that are lazy there's also many H1B's who work for low pay who are not productive and have to be Spoon-Fed through their term. "H1B visa is a temporary worker".:rolleyes:

To generalize as all have H1B's have passion and drive and all US citizen are lacking just brainless:D.
 
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Don't recall news this good during previous admins...

Being successful and making a ton of money is ok.
 
idea: Hire some people to get longstanding bugs out of iTunes.

That would create thousands of jobs!
 
We now know the precise reason Apple released "the Numbers" when it did.

Trump is having dinner with Cook tonight ! ... that's Fri, Aug 16th, for those who read this AFTER today.

Would love to be a Fly on the Wall during the dinner meeting.

Would love it if Trump presses Cook for the specifics, BEHIND "the Numbers" !

In other words, where's the proof ???

I personally believe Cook & Schiller just crafted the numbers themselves, Out of the Blue !
 
So much butt-hurt in this thread.

Go to any 2nd and third-world country and name a manufacturing product by an American company that is ubiquitous.

I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with iphone and is basically the only thing American produces that even poor people are willing to pay a lot for.

"But they make it in China."

Yeah, but most of the value-added is done in the United States in terms of design and software and support. China sees pennies on the dollar.

"Yeah, but Americans don't see that money. That's why Apple sits on like a bazillion dollars."

Partially true. Obviously, if they employ 90,000 Americans; Americans are seeing some of that money. Certainly more than they are seeing from a Samsung product or a Playstation being sold. Apple should and can definitely afford to pay more in taxes though.

"Anyways, the 2.1 million number is exaggerated."

Yes, but 90,000 jobs directly is nothing to balk at especially when many of them are well-paying. And jobs by firms that produce an internationally competitive product are often keystone jobs that anchor entire communities. See what happened to many small towns when the local textile mill or car factory died. The surrounding area of jobs in diners, grocery stores, etc. died. Apple's effect isn't so localized and dramatic; but across the nation as a whole, it's quite substantial.

The 2.1 million number is definitely a market spin number but Apple is one of the faces of Americans manufacturing even though it's not even produced in America. The name of the game is value-added. The reason people use apple is because they are stable and easy-to-use which has more to do with the design and software which is made in the US.
 
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Great news! However, I'd like to see Apple's direct US employment numbers and the ratio of full-time to part-time Apple storefront positions.
 
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Bogus number, because they're counting the "app market" and app developers who also make apps for other platforms as well. And a lot of those app developers aren't even American, and of course none of them are employees of Apple.
 
Regardless of many of the snarky comments in the thread I’m and sure Apple is, directly and indirectly, responsible for many jobs.

And did we ever know the snarkers would be out in full force. BUT, they all probably own & still buy Apple products so I suspect MANY hypocrites posting smack. It's so typical of pseudo-Apple bashers.
 
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That can be done. You just need to be willing to pay more money when you purchase your Mac Pro. You're buying one, right?
The older Mac Pros were apparently produced/assembled in Austin. These more expensive newer ones are outsourced to China or thereabouts. It's hard to say where things are actually made these days. The internal parts come from all over the place, depending on rare earth mining sources, etc. The things are designed mostly in the US, and assembled various places (mostly Asia, some in the US). In any case, the really decent jobs involve people who don't have to wear uniforms, like the people featured in the photo above. Those are "genius" types, barely making minimum wage. Apple engineers and developers don't wear cute green uniforms. Meh.
 
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Developers don't have to use the platform, they can create their own and have complete control if they want...
App developers aren't really Apple employees - they're independents selling a product to Apple via contract. Real Apple employees, the well paid ones working in the space ship in Cupertino and the like, are software and hardware engineers. They don't wear cute green Apple uniforms, and aren't necessarily 20-somethings as pictured. They mostly work under non-disclosure and don't advertise their status much, at least as far as I can tell. Apple has a presence here in Austin. I worked at the University of Texas in computers and networking for many years (now retired), still live in the university area - I've yet to ever meet anyone claiming to be an Apple employee (I'm not talking about uniformed retail geniuses). To see if Apple has any major employment influence, you'd have to look at recruiting trends for computer/software/electrical engineering graduates from colleges and universities. These folks don't do apps - they engineer MacOS, iOS, design hardware, and some are into the marketing side of the corporation. Those aren't the stats being advertised, I dare say. If you look at real numbers of employees (not salaries), most are under subcontract in China and the like, and they make low wages.
 
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