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Apple Tracks Who You Contact on Messages, Stores Logs for 30 Days
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then move to a place with no cameras, no cell service, no power grid, no other utilities that require an account, no banking, in other words disconnect from modern life. if that seems like a reasonable trade off to you well go for it. that ship has sailed and many don't care.
Exchange server is under the owner's control. iMessage server is under Apple's control.
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Phone companies log that info cause they charge you for each message. Or would you rather get a bill with no details.
This is the first time I've been able to comment on a political post. Ya, I'm a regular now!
While I make every effort available to limit my exposure, I take any "loss" of privacy as a consequence of being logged in. Do I like ... not . one . bit.
But the naiveté of that quote ... to believe ... that Apple captures less and sells less is absolutely beyond belief.
Actually it's 100 percent accurate in the digital world we live in. Your cable company knows what you watch, your ISP and phone company knows what sites you visit and what numbers you text. Google knows what's in your email and what you search for to better serve you ads. Facebook knows the same. Those are the facts. However that information is not used unless they're subpoenaed by law enforcement.
My statement is no less accurate just because you and so many other just don't get it. NO ONE CARES what you do unless it's something criminal or terrorist related. The information is there, logged but never looked at. Though there are those that think there are somehow hundreds of millions of people watching each and every one of us (because mathematically that's how many it would actually take)
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I understand the issues of privacy have been around forever. Yet most people accept it and move on. Hence you even being on this forum or anywhere else online......or using an electronic device. It's the world we live in now. Accept it and move on.....unless you have something to hide.
No. Apple uses these logs to track quality of service and run diagnostics when you complain a person didn't receive your iMessage.
Totally naive. It's incredibly easy for "law enforcement" to accuse you of anything especially with access to this kind of information about you. Privacy matters and none of this information should be recorded.
Seriously. The government can't figure out how to pay off its debt yet people think someone sits there reading 300+ million US citizens phone records, emails, texts, PLUS international threats and conversations. It's just not happening. And no one cares about you.
At best, statistics about you are used anonymously. For example, Google might want to know the number of emails sent by users located in New York. It'll just have a number and date range. Your name or anything about you or the content won't even be in the report.
I'm not sure. If the data ping is only used to determine if the receiver has an idevice why keep the data for 30 days? Once it's determined that the receiver has an idevice (or not) why not delete the log entry immediately? Why wait 30 days?
I never said it's something I support or don't support. I said it's the reality of the world we live in. When's the last time you or anyone you knew had law enforcement beating down their door dragging them away on some random charge????? Like I said.......no one gives a crap about you or what you do unless it's something worth caring about. If people cared so much about privacy they wouldn't post what they had for lunch on instagram or send nudes to eachother. Give me a freaking break. People are perfectly OK giving up some degree of privacy. Otherwise Apple, Facebook, google wouldn't exist. Do you drive a car? Traffic cams are all over ....are you ok with that?? Better not drive anywhere anymore!!!! Oh and your bank has a record of every transaction you make. Better stop using that credit card!
If you don't like it turn off all your stuff. Bye bye.
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How would the telcos provide any data if the message goes from iOS to iOS encrypted and over Apple's network?
That isn't the point.
with SMS, that same data would go over the Telco's network. The Government would simply subpoena the Telcos for that data.
For iMessage, that data would go over Apple's network. The Government would simply subpoena Apple for that data.
The point is that it doesn't matter if it is the Telcos or Apple. Both are 3rd party, and only needs to be subpoenaed to provide the data instead of having a warrant.
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Still better than Google all the way. Android fans want to feel better saying that Apple is exactly on par with that company but it's very far from the truth. Every telecom company has all the necessary data to turn you in - this is a fact. Apple is unfortunately not immune to these industry-wide practices. Best you can do is to turn off iCloud backup.
This is not an answer... and not exactly true and falls back into the hands of the Snowden quote. This is where I feel that perhaps you do not understand the real issue here. I am not talking about, or will not go into the historic technical claims made in regards to privacy with such applicants like iMessage and What's App etc.., or even VPN.
However, 'Accepting and moving on' is just blindly doing as you are told. I am sure there are many things you were just told to do and did as a child, which you would question now as a adult. Can you not see the inference here?
I am so glad, that there are still people in the world willing to question what they see, hear and encounter. This appears to be a simple case of 'Wolves and sheep', in regards to just accepting the status quo.
Your life is better for it, even if you believe otherwise.
I understand why people are upset. My whole point is that too many people are ok with it. Far many more people than are up in arms over it. Even after alllllllllllll the revelations about government surveillance.......there are no riots in the streets and people are continuing their lives. We can argue non stop weather this is ok or not. I for one don't care because I've accepted it. Indeed I question many things I was told as a child......but as an adult I've also learned to pick my battles.
Good luck getting something like this to change. People complain about politicians yet vote the same people back into office. So this comes down to two final points I will make: Humans are walking contradictions and as an adult I've learned to pick my battles. People gave up their collective privacy and are perfectly fine with it no matter what you or others think. Those are facts, weather you agree or not.....or weather its ethical or not.
I agree with your points, however some food for thought:
I was in the jury on a murder trial a couple years ago, the actual murder had happened two years prior to that. Cell phones played a big part.
The prosecution brought in the cell phone company logs of the murderer's phone and the victim's phone. Point was to establish a pattern of harrassment showing his repeated call after call to her ("blowing up her phone"), among other things.
They also used the tower logs to show the murderer's approximate movements in the hours after his killed the woman. Every time he attempted to make a call or received a call the system logged which tower his phone was using and which of the three antennas on that tower it was using. Since the antenna direction and tower locations are known by the cell company obviously, this data log established his location to within a mile or two given the tower density here.
Finally, they showed the logs for later in the day when the police had an idea who had killed the woman and they began having the cell company "ping" his phone for its GPS coordinates. Those showed his movements along the interstates and allowed them to coordinate with law enforcement a couple states over to stop and arrest him.
So Apple keeps a 30 day log of your IP address every time you send a message? Big deal, that's nothing compared to the data your cell company is holding.
I agree. I wish people took privacy more seriously. It's because too many people think this okay that companies get away with it.
Indeed, we do not need to agree and that you are happy to accept no privacy 'nothing to hide, so nothing to fear' so long as you get the bad guys...? Was this not from Orwells 1984? Also, I am sure the Nazi's used this propaganda and you had very much to fear from the Nazi's, but don't take my word for it.
However, when you said "Good luck getting something like this to change", it made me chuckle. As we have heard what you are saying many times before and each of your following statements in bold can be applied to the following:
Slavery.
Those in the US who were happy with King Georges reign.
Nazi Europe.
American and South african Apartheid.
Etc..etc..
Yes, they are bigger issues, but every errosion of a freedom (and privacy is a freedom) is cumulative and can lead to something as big.
I am not going to change you mind, as you have already said that you are happy to do as you are told and not think, or question for yourself if it makes life hard for you. Of course, you are not alone there.
And why you need only refer to my original Snowden post and my last post where I said - 'I am so glad, that there are still people in the world willing to question what they see, hear and encounter. This appears to be a simple case of 'Wolves and sheep', in regards to just accepting the status quo.'
Off topic a bit more..., but when you say - "People complain about politicians yet vote the same people back into office." Well do they really..? If you live in the USA and you only have a choice of Hilary, or Trump, then who else can you vote for...? If you are in Russia, you have a choice of Putin, or Gulag... etc.
You can't delete the App BUT just SIGN OUT and turn iMessage OFF ... done. If the App annoys you, create a dust bin folder and move the App to that folder - out of sight, out of mind.
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Facebook. Facebook designed it. Unless someone is aware of an earlier messaging app that implemented all these sticker/animation/customization stuff?
The privacy issue laws are very very different than slavery, nazi germany and everything else you quoted. So stop with the Apples to oranges comparison.....nice try. Last time I checked companies having contacts (the article in question) is not leading to mass death. I choose to accept what it is for many reasons. You can call it being a sheep....then I'm a sheep. We all are to a certain extent. Thats part of living in a civilized society. You have to FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES.
If you have a license plate the government knows what you drive. Your grocery store knows what you eat (if you use a rewards card), the bank knows what you buy..........DO YOU GET THE POINT YET? So why doesn't everyone just live in a hole and call it a day? Sorry I gotta eat...and save a few bucks while I do it. Guess I'm a hungry sheep.
If you supposedly refuse to accept the status quo why are you not living in said hole? Do you use a computer?, an iPhone? iCloud? Google anything? How about GPS? Sounds like some self righteous hypocrisy to me.
Regarding the side point....I wasn't just referring to presidential candidates. I was referring to congress and senate. The people who actually make the laws....who are constantly voted back into office.
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So a free Outlook.com email address isn't run by Exchange? Let's compare user offerings, not business offerings. If I have that much visibility, I'm sure Microsoft has that much visibility.