Apple Trailed Samsung in Holiday Quarter With an Estimated 68.4M iPhones Shipped

[pat500000]

It’s a funny old world when a company taking more than 100% of available profits, and the most profitable company in the world gets bad press. I guess it’s all the hate, jealousy, and Schadenfreude.

Who cares about profitable. What apple should care is getting out great quality products. Apple “was” known for software quality...
tim said he believes in security/privacy. What happened now? It’s a company that deceives people. It’s a company acting as anti-consumerism.
Apprently when apple doesn’t live to their standards, it’s pretty obvious apple deserve to be hit with many bad presses and rightfully so. Many members here who criticize apple are the ones who truely wants apple to succeed by bringing out others products like mac pros and etc. many members here are PRO-CONSUMERIST. They believe in quality of the products. Apple these days is not the “quality” tech product. Just because they sell expensive products doesn’t mean they are top quality. Soldering and preventing users to upgrade themselves are considered anti-consumerism.

It’s not hate and jealousy. Only those who defend apple for their “crimes” would believe that.

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

So you want to see just how much Apple is ripping you off? Interesting.

Macrumors, the only place where paying the highest profit margin is a source of pride.

 

[R.P.G]

Not a good week for Apple (earnings issues, forecast adjustment, Tim's comments about high price, etc.). Maybe Tim will realize he needs to do something.

add this too...facetime bug is a tight slap.Apple claiming king in privacy, having such mess up will be a disaster.

 

[torana355]

Macrumors, the only place where paying the highest profit margin is a source of pride.

I can see the point if you are a shareholder, but as a consumer, it's the most bizzare thing i've seen. I also understand that a percentage of those profits get put back into the business but still most of that is to make things more efficient.

 

[timborama]

The only company I see declining from the charts is Samsung... which as still clinging onto the jack... bruh?

What chart are YOU looking at? Samsung dropped 5.5%, while Apple dropped 11.5% bruh!

 

[I7guy]

add this too...facetime bug is a tight slap.Apple claiming king in privacy, having such mess up will be a disaster.

Any business (such as Experian) that claims user privacy (which is most all websites that conduct financial transactions), which has a breach/bug is a disaster. But that doesn't ameliorate Apple's privacy/pro-consumer stance as stated by Tim Cook.

 

[R.P.G]

Yeah, only $20B of profit in 90 days, just like last year.

1.3B devices to 1.4B in 12 months. Notice how despite iPhone sales shrinking, the devices grew nicely? And services grew 20%? People will upgrade eventually, but they aren't switching to Android.

Apple is moving to services company and as long as that device base is growing, all is well.

Hilarious narrative, but keep sticking to that data point.

'They arent switching to android'..i disagree with this. I moved top Apple from android in 2017 (with iPhone 8 plus), but since 2017 i saw many of my friends from office switched to android from apple. they Blame it on price.

 

[bladerunner2000]

What's bound to happen?

Apple has less marketshare than Samsung who sells $100 phones. Should be no surprise to anybody.

Yeah, God forbid consumers had more than one option for a phone.
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the year 2000 is calling... they want their headphones back.....

2019 and Bluetooth headphones still suck.

 

[R.P.G]

Any business (such as Experian) that claims user privacy (which is most all websites that conduct financial transactions), which has a breach/bug is a disaster. But that doesn't ameliorate Apple's privacy/pro-consumer stance as stated by Tim Cook.

every other company is different from Apple. Apple markets itself as 'Privacy' is their main selling point. have you seen their marketing at CES?

 

[kcslc]

Why should they? They should have stopped 3 years ago because it's all anyone ever focused on and it distracted from the larger story at Apple.

Relevant data would be people switching away from Apple, but the user base keeps growing and growing. And services keeps growing at 20%.

They are trying to change the narrative on their company and it's the right thing to do for investors. As an investor, I love the move.
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Because they give the devices away and track your every move if you do pay for one.

People with iPhones aren't moving to those Android phones. See that "others" category? Those are the people moving to Chinese competition along with people in the undeveloped world getting their first cheap phone.

Show me data that people are switching away from iPhone. THAT is what matters.

1.3B devices went to 1.4B in 12 months, so another 100M active devices. Apple doesn't need to keep growing iPhone sales to be successful.

I just ordered a Galaxy Note 9 to replace my XS, which is a complete piece of trash. iPhones have been garbage ever since switching away from Qualcomm modems. I’m not going to pay for it anymore.

I have to toggle airplane mode off and on again several times a day because WiFi keeps dropping. Unacceptable in a $1200 phone. Bugs in iOS are getting old. Fix them already. Face ID sucks. I want a home button, fingerprint scanner, headphone jack, micro sd card slot.

I’m done with apple.

 

[I7guy]

every other company is different from Apple. Apple markets itself as 'Privacy' is their main selling point. have you seen their marketing at CES?

A bug is still a bug. Unless one can prove malicious conduct, in my mind, they are still pro-consumer in terms of their stance. Their recent actions with enterprise certificates only add to this notion, imo. Your opinion is obviously different.
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Yeah, God forbid consumers had more than one option for a phone.../QUOTE]
That doesn't address my response, which was about market share given the high/low price points of the manufacturers.

 

[bladerunner2000]

I just ordered a Galaxy Note 9 to replace my XS, which is a complete piece of trash. iPhones have been garbage ever since switching away from Qualcomm modems. I’m not going to pay for it anymore.

I have to toggle airplane mode off and on again several times a day because WiFi keeps dropping. Unacceptable in a $1200 phone. Bugs in iOS are getting old. Fix them already. Face ID sucks. I want a home button, fingerprint scanner, headphone jack, micro sd card slot.

I’m done with apple.

All valid complaints. How on earth does anyone refute these on macrumors?

I have the similar complaints about Android phones, but one that bugs me most is that they're all huge. Why can there not be one small phone that has all these things? Closest thing is the Sony xz1 compact. The fingerprint scanner is on the side too, which is also the power button; the most logical spot and it works so well.

 

[rtomyj]

What chart are YOU looking at? Samsung dropped 5.5%, while Apple dropped 11.5% bruh!

Last chart. You connect the first data point to the last and Sammy is flat lined (the best scenario). Connect any other data point after that with the last one and it’s a decline.

Huawei lost a decent amount but is gaining traction recently.

Apple had momentum but it has flatlined recently.

Other two have flatline trend. No real movement.

 

[fermat-au]

Your conclusion is clearly flawed. Samsung loses money overall on phones, and keeps going on chip sales. You seem to think that’s a success, because unit sales is a wrong and misleading measure. That’s why Spple has stopped reporting unit sales.

Samsung does made revenue from chip sales to other companies, they also make TVs, washing machines etc. I haven't heard they make a loss on Smartphone sales, do you have a reference to this?
Unit sales aren't the only metric to judge success, that is why people also look at revenue, ASP etc. Unit sales are still relevant to the extent, that it is better to sell 2000 phones for $800 than sell 1000 phones for $800.
The point is that Apple sold few iPhone this Q4 than the previous year, this could be due to many reason - higher price, people keeping phones longer etc - but it is still relevant and should be understood in context will other metrics.

 

[Baymowe335]

'They arent switching to android'..i disagree with this. I moved top Apple from android in 2017 (with iPhone 8 plus), but since 2017 i saw many of my friends from office switched to android from apple. they Blame it on price.

I brought facts and you brought anecdotal data about your fri nds. What can I say?
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I just ordered a Galaxy Note 9 to replace my XS, which is a complete piece of trash. iPhones have been garbage ever since switching away from Qualcomm modems. I’m not going to pay for it anymore.

I have to toggle airplane mode off and on again several times a day because WiFi keeps dropping. Unacceptable in a $1200 phone. Bugs in iOS are getting old. Fix them already. Face ID sucks. I want a home button, fingerprint scanner, headphone jack, micro sd card slot.

I’m done with apple.

Apple is definitely doomed now.

 

[thasan]

Huawei is going to pass Apple this year.

Certainly in violating international sanctions and direct stealing of patents and trade secrets. And also with jail sentences. Phones? Probably that too!

 

[Black Tiger]

Why are Android fans so concerned about Apple sales figures and profits? It’s also rather strange to have to justify why someone choose one brand over the other. Every thread on Macrumors seems to have deteriorated into this over the last few years. Life is way to short to get tied up in this sort of silliness. If you love your Android phone, all the power to you. There is room in the market for all the current players.

 

[BvizioN]

People are bored with their iPhones.

iOS needs a facelift.

I have iPhone X and definitely not bored with it. It is just that is so good I do not need to upgrade it. Can't help it but think this could be the case with a lot of people.

 

[rfrmac]

Not a good week for Apple (earnings issues, forecast adjustment, Tim's comments about high price, etc.). Maybe Tim will realize he needs to do something.

Tim saying that iPhones might be a little price sensitive is rich. Couldn't his crack marketing department tell him that. His customers of many of his company's products are becoming more price sensitive as time goes by. The key to Apple is continued innovation at reasonable prices. It's OK to be high but it's not OK to be really high. New well thought out products are the real answers for Apple.

 

[H2SO4]

"I'm not number 1?? You know what? I won't even tell you how many I'm selling"
--Apple

I think if I was a shareholder it would annoy me that they don't share those figures. As a non shareholder - nope.

 

[R.P.G]

I brought facts and you brought anecdotal data about your fri nds. What can I say?
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Apple is definitely doomed now.

where is the data that shows people are 'not' switching?

 

[novakk86]

So you

I would like to see net profit as a field in that table.

So you can confirm you're paying more for less? How would such info make Apple costumers feel better about themselves?

 

[snowboarder]

Apple is moving to services company and as long as that device base is growing, all is well.

What services exactly? I keep hearing about those "services" and all it is is some creative accounting.

Apple considers Google payment for being the first search engine on the iPhone as "services"
(it's a very high fee, a few Billion USD). Or charging every developer a 30% cut of every app sold -
services!

It's scary how little actual REAL value there is here.

 

[ridgero]

They still are selling a huge amount even given the issues in recent months.

My Devices
iphone Xs Max 256GB iPad Pro 12.9 2018 256GB wifi and cellular Watch 44MM Series 4 AirPods Beats Solo 3s Pencil Apple TV 4 Space Grey Homepod, White HomePod

Yeah, as long as they have customers like you.

 

[otternonsense]

I’m ok with apple selling less. I want to see them sweat for awhile and hopefully some kinda innovation finally comes. ... And I really hope apple is reactive to this and not just sticking their heads in the sand all “everything’s fine ! People love price increases!”

I agree with you, but what happens in the meantime is Apple running amok plastering every popular junction with oversized ads. Case in point, here's Alexanderplatz station in Berlin, covered sideways in iPhone XR billboards. I doubt they'll suck it up and make a better phone next time around or change their (overpricing-underdelivering) strategy in the slightest.

Take it away, Steve: “When you have a monopoly market share, the sales and marketing people end up running the companies. The product people get driven out of decision making, and the companies forget what it means to make great products. The genius that brought them to this monopolistic position gets rotted out by people who have no conception of a good product vs a bad product”