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"This is a crisis"

...as the double-unicorn pointy head thing in the comfortable office said to the others.

"This is a crisis."

Well, couldn't have put it better myself.

I've honestly thought long and hard about why the latest crop of crap from Lucas doesn't "do" it for me anymore. Is it because it's not "new" to my senses? Is it because I was much younger when the original Star Wars came out? Is it because amazing special effects are just taken for granted these days and we're jaded no matter what we see?

Perhaps. But the real reason?

I just don't give a rats behind about the characters anymore, and I don't care HOW many flying gizmos and futuristic office furniture sets you throw into a flick, if the characters are less than 3 dimensional, then you have an empty story.

The series has become souless. Every character in the original(s) you CARED about. Lucas has been able to pull off the impossible...not only do his characters LOSE my empathy, I actually DETEST some of them (along with the great majority of you, especially ONE of them, whose name I can't even utter here)

What happened, George? Your imagination is still wonderful to behold, but you forgot the HUMAN part.:(
 
What happened, George? Your imagination is still wonderful to behold, but you forgot the HUMAN part.
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I agree. The main problem with EP1 was that the story was WAY too adventurous for a 2 hour movie. In an attempt to get every last plot detail included (and many EP4-6 details answered), Lucas didn't have any time to develop the characters in the first movie. He probably figured that everybody would automatically identify with them because of their links in EP4-6. Wrong.

Depending upon which trailer you watch, EP2 looks like two movies in one - an action movie, and a romance. Lucas will have a difficult time telling a love story convincingly, mostly because I don't think he's ever written one, or directed one. It will be interesting to see.

Me? I thought Ep1 was "ambitous", but flawed. It is obviously the weakest of the SW movies so far. But it is just one of six. So hopefully, Lucas paid attention to the EP1 criticism when writing/directing EP2.

Personally, I'm looking forward to it. The action scenes look amazing.
 
Re: Hi-tech Cartoon...

Originally posted by StuPid QPid
Is it just me? or does this film look too much like a high-tech cartoon. Computer generated effects are great in their place, but here the whole film looks like it is dominated by them. In my opinion they just don't look realistic enough. I know it's a difficult balancing act to know how many effects to include, but in LOTR, I though the computer effects were much better blended in to the film. Strange, but I thought the models used in the original Star Wars trilogy in most cases were more realistic. Perhaps it has something to do with them being genuine 3D objects or something?

Let's hope the acting is not as cartoon-like as in Epidsode 1...
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I personally think Lucas has gone mad. He's stated in recent inteviews that if he had his way, he would completely eliminate the actors. He is all about the effects and digital scenery being totally forefront in the film. LOTR is indeed an excellent example of the effects and scenery providing a _backdrop_, which is the way it is done in a good film. I am quite anti-Lucas these days, sadly. Episode I was horrible--and I'm an avid Star Wars fan.


blakespot
 
Maybe Lucas has been replaced by an evil clone... that would explain the latest version of Star Wars....

May the schwartz be with you... :D
 
Maybe Lucas has been replaced by an evil clone...

Or, maybe the little chicki from the Professional has been keeping the casting couch a little too warm thus clouding his mind.

Hey alpha, just the other day you hit 500 posts, you've got 650ish now! Wowsers! I wonder if your posting rate will decrease when the weather warms up and you get your bike? I've got to get a flat fixed, and then I'm hitting the road.
 
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Maybe Lucas has been replaced by an evil clone... that would explain the latest version of Star Wars....
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LOL :D I've heard rumors that at skywalker ranch Lucas has some strict rules, like in the cafeteria area if Lucas comes in, under no circumstances are you to make eye contact or speak to Lucas unless he talks to you first. He probably would cringe and go "argh, I can't abide these fanboys.... disgusting creatures!" and saunter off with his troop.

Then again, who the hell knows what goes on at skywalker ranch? I mean, it's like the freakin' playboy mansion,....without the women! <shudder> (no wonder he's senile!) :p
 
This is more a less a quote from Lucas' mouth to describe the first three Star Wars stories... (heard this from an interview right before EPS 1 was released to the theatres)

Episode 1 is action. Episode 2 is a love story. And Episode 3 just sucks.

Hard to keep ones hopes up with those descriptions.


"YIPEEEEEEEEEE!", Anakin Skywalker
 
HOLLY POOP BATMAN!

This will be a HUGE hit! even better than the first episode! have you seen the trailer? i think were gonna see a new WORLD record for movie opining records ($$making that is) the special efffects are sweet, and the action sceens look intense! I cant wait for that movie and blade2 and the rest of LOTR and the matrix reloaded! soo many good movies comming out this summer!

as for those of you that dont think much of it, who cares what you think! half the worlds population wants to see it!:D
 
lucas is too involved in trying to win SFX awards i think. Pixar and other sfx companies are pumping out great stuff, and so does ILM, but lucas wants sfx to take center stage when it doesnt need to.

peter jackson (fotr) did a fantastic job. the sfx in most cases blends right in and you dont need to think about it. episode 1 all i did was look at everything and said, "tooo much cgi..."

i imagine episode2 won't be much different... "how many hours did this scene take to render?!? DAMN! There must be 20,000 things moving around. Of course they were scripted, and duped, but... wow... " ad naseum.

Bring on The Two Towers!!!
 
tolkein got his stuff from mcduglous and the bible and lucas got his stuff from shakspere and the bible. not many people know that.
 
Star Wars Sux

OK- here we go...I haven't been flamed for a few weeks - so this might do it.
I may be the only person on earth, but I find Lucas/Spielberg/King(Stephen) to be simialr drivel - obvious, mind numbing, lowest commondenominator trash. OK, good special effects - but so what? I like Amelie where the special effects served to add to the film.

Luke is Darth's son and then redeems him (yawn), Yoda copying Don Jaun WORD FOR WORD (look in Journey to Ixtlan and Separate reality)
I find 2001 more SF than SW -
I'm waiting for two towers - that should be good.

What *wo8uld* I like to see in film for SF?

1. Heinlen: Moon is a harsh mistress or Glory Road
2. Illumanati trilogy

For those who arein love with SW _ I suggest reading some decent Sci Fi and then get back to me ;-)

ok - flame on!
 
w/o turning this into a Lord of the Rings post.. my 2 cents: I'm a book fan.. and the movie was great! If you never read the books, well, it's a book thing, you simply can't understand.

On topic: Star Wars II looks better than Star Wars I.. especially glad that the Jar Jar Binks thing is totally played down and hopefully completely gone by the third movie.. Jar Jar is one of the few things I hate more than being forced to work a year in a dungeon with Windows machines!
 
of course the book is better then the movie... so i hear.... thats usaully always the case.


i just cant get myself to read a huge novel on fantasy.. fantasy is not my cup o tea. i prefer reading truth since it is stranger than fiction.
 
Originally posted by Digidesign
Lucas? Star Wars? ***k that kiddy ***t! I'm waiting for Lord of The Rings: The Two Towers! :D



I used to be a SW fan. The original trilogy was beginning to age like fine wine, and here comes Lucas giving us grape juice, and it just doesn't taste the same like before.

<begin fanboy rant>
Few problems I have with the new trilogy - hey, you love it, you freakin dream of amidala and play with her dolls great, but here's my take on the new trilogy:

- Episode I: Jake Lloyd's wooden performance had me gritting my teeth, and don't tell me he's just a kid because haley joel osment makes jake lloyd look like corky st. clair.

- Episode I: Midi Chloriates, or whatever salad ***t is in their veins. C'mon! the force is a mystical energy force that binds us, etc. "yes, between the rock, the lake, the ship"... no midichloriates there, eh? You fanboys are gonna tell me it's different, I don't care. No midichloriates Lucas.

- Episode I: The Virgin birth of Anakin. can of worms opened here that didn't add anything to the story.

- Episode I: Somewhat formulaic plotline, mirroring events in episode 4. C'mon, the kid blows up the station without knowing what he's doing? that's not the force, that's called "exposing the plot by letting it control the actions".

- Episode I: Yeah, you know what I and so many people were annoyed by. Yeah, I don't even need to type the three words of the name that brings pain to SW fans. He/It represents merchandising, merchandising, merchandising.... and a clear signal that lucas never grew up the story with it's fans, but kept it anchored in the childlike. hey, that's cool and all if that's what he wants, but many of us were dissapointed.

- Episode II: From the looks of the trailer, it looks to be focused on the romantic aspect of Anakin/Amidala and their 'forbidden love' or whatnot. I'm sorry, but I don't trust Lucas to do romantic touchy/feely stuff as much as I trust Kevin Smith to produce a tear-jerking drama. that's all I'll say about EP2, cuz I'll go see it and hope for the best (give it a chance). But when you know a director's/creator's strength and that it does not lie in a particular aspect of storytelling/filmaking, it just gets you worried.
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dude you have quite an opinion. an eduacted one that is. i like your style. thanks for that post even if it was dissing all over the new star wars.


dig it!
 
Re: Star Wars Sux

Originally posted by maclamb


What *wo8uld* I like to see in film for SF?

1. Heinlen: Moon is a harsh mistress or Glory Road
2. Illumanati trilogy

For those who arein love with SW _ I suggest reading some decent Sci Fi and then get back to me ;-)

ok - flame on!
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no flame here, just pure appreciation for the Illuminati trilogy..

anyone who hasn't checked out the mysteries of the illuminati should really try to expand their mind a bit on the subject.. especially what robert anton wilson has to say..
here's his personal site:

http://www.rawilson.com/main.shtml

and another site trying to summarize..
http://www.physics.umn.edu/~duvernoi/ill.html

of course, wilson also wrote the satanic bible, was a student of Alistair Crowley, and achieved a bunch more.. check out his site if you're interested..


but yeah, LOTR had the perfect mix of special effects and human character..

i haven't even watched the whole episode 1 of SW yet.. t'was pretty bad, what i saw..
 
Re: Re: WHO ARE ALL THE JEDI'S? SEE PIC

Originally posted by Hes Nikke


funny, we have the same suff happening in this country :(
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seems to be going around..........the world that is, sort of like a virus.... meglomania strikes back
 
Oh, what, and the original trilogy might have been penned by frekin Shakespeare himself, right? This is Star Wars, dangit, not the next David Mamet.What point of reference in real life do you have for what people caught up in an intergalactic war on planets light years away would talk like? Seriously? The effects arent good enough? "Oh wait that doesnt look like the real 10000 strong clone army fighting guys with laser swords i saw the other day." This is well crafted art, anti-Lucas propaganda and pseudo-intellectual posturing aside.
 
Originally posted by krossfyter
i just cant get myself to read a huge novel on fantasy.. fantasy is not my cup o tea. i prefer reading truth since it is stranger than fiction.
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Don't start on the books unless you've got time to kill (I recommend starting with The Hobbit)... By the time you finish Return of the King you'll be looking for courses on how to speak Elvish and dusting off your old D&D books (or buying them, if you've never played). :D

Aside from that, you'll certainly have an appreciation for what Peter Jackson has accomplished in preserving the flavor of the books and the essential storyline (even if he did take a few liberties in the translation -- after all, he couldn't go much past three hours per film).
 
Originally posted by dricci
You're right! *winks and slowly backs away*:p
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What the hell are you talking about. The only reason they made the the Lord of the Rings movies back to back is because the director knew that if anyone ever saw that piece of crap (Fellowship of the Ring) he would never be allowed waste the studio's money on the other two movies. Let's be honest here for a second, we all loved The Hobbit, but how many people actually made it all the way through the Lord of the Ring trilogy.

Well anyway back to the movie Fellow**** of the Ring. It was boring and lackluster. Sure it was cool to look at, but... Harry Potter was 1000 times better.

The Phantom Menace was a great movie, sure we know the outcome of the series, but it's not the destination that we care about here, it's the voyage.

Hey wait a minute isn't this the Macrumors Forum? What is this a slow period or what?
 
sad

To see the new star wars episodes on par with Spaceballs is truly sad. This looks more like the story of a rebellious teenager with a fast car and a good two shoes girl friend then star wars. Forget this... I am off to rent Corvette Summer
 
Originally posted by cyberchill


Don't start on the books unless you've got time to kill (I recommend starting with The Hobbit)... By the time you finish Return of the King you'll be looking for courses on how to speak Elvish and dusting off your old D&D books (or buying them, if you've never played). :D

Aside from that, you'll certainly have an appreciation for what Peter Jackson has accomplished in preserving the flavor of the books and the essential storyline (even if he did take a few liberties in the translation -- after all, he couldn't go much past three hours per film).
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yeah i actually read the hobbit a long time ago. it was okay. i tried reading LOTR but I gave up during the first part...expeditionary part. Right now for me to read anything fantasy is like getting the palestinians to chill the hell out over there in the middle east. Just wont happen. Im more interested in c.s. lewises non fiction books.
 
All right, one of the best parts of Episode I was Jar Jar Binks. Come on now he's a classic Joseph Campbell type character. How often do we get to meet a character that every character the meets him, except Anankin, hates. Watch him closely, he's great comic releaf.

I can't believe that some that managed to sit through Fellowship of the Ring was unable to sit through Episode I. What are you going to say next, the original Dune movie was better than Star Wars or that the acting in the original Star Trek is better than the acting in any of the spinoffs? Come on now get a grip. The only thing worst than reading the Fellowship of the Ring was seeing the movie (although I will admit to enjoying both Gandalf and Bilbo).

I must concede that Fellow**** of the Rings was not the worst novel to movie adaptation that I've seen (that would be Queen of the Damned, they were so close to pulling it off), because both the book and movie bored me to death.

I just asked the guy next to me if he saw the FotR and he said "yes, fell asleep 13 times".
 
oh and another thing....

harry potter sucks arse man. i cant believe someone in thier mature mind is going to sit up in here and say that harry potter is actually any good. the true authors of fantasy are spinning in thier graves from that piece of crap.
 
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