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They were demoing those apps on a maxed out Mac Pro. Of COURSE it's going to scroll smoothly. Would be pretty scary if it didn't on one of those beasts. What about a lesser, more realistic machine?
They weren’t using a Mac Pro. They were using the developer Mac mini’s that will ship this week with the A12Z chip. I think seeing the Pro Display made you think it was a Mac Pro, but all of Apple’s current hardware can run that monitor. It’s confirmation the developer minis will as well. Remember Craig F. said all the demos for Big Sur were done on that A12Z version of the OS. Considering the first real A-series Macs will come with an A14-derived chip, this makes me believe the new Macs that come out next year will be screamers.
 
The A12Z Mac mini included in the Developer Transition Kit (DTK) is $500 and only available to select developers. It remains owned by Apple and must be returned to them after "one (1) year ... unless [the Universal App Quick Start Program is] terminated earlier."


 
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As someone who codes addons for a cross-platform x86-based railway simulator software, I am more concerned about how the transition will go for the crew - just hope that either the new architecture can work with Mono, or virtualization can support Windows, else it will be rather difficult to continue supporting this particular platform.

P.S. At least this may give initiative for the main developers to consider forking an ARM-based branch... Considering that even Windows has an ARM64 version now, there is a bit of lingering hope on this.
 
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For users of macbook air this move makes sense. for macbook, real 'pro' users I don't see this as a good thing. Major advantage of running iOS apps? but who wants that?

it is solely done to control more their products and profit even more.

it would have to be really powerful to be able to handle bootcamp and windows at the same performance level. Apple was never about performance so this change is not about intel being slow. it's to control and lock in one more aspect.

and no, windows for arm is not 'windows'. The advantage of having bootcamp and windows is to ensure it will run all windows apps, no problems, not just having a windows-like UI

How is better performance/thermals out of a Pro laptop a bad thing? As long as Adobe can commit to updates I see no actual downsides to this change.
 
The gaming performance looked quite unremarkable. I have played Shadow of Tomb Raider and the graphics are far superior on any gaming PC. They got smooth framerate by going to a VERY low resolution (nobody plays in 1080p anymore), and the graphics quality was set extremely low - it looked like the old Tomb Raider games from the 00's.
 
Why are people saying 2020, 2019, and earlier Intel Macs are “dead” or that those who bought them aren’t happy with this announcement? Despite my being here for many years, I’m
not super tech literate. I just bought a 2020 MBP. What does this switch to Apple Silicon mean for me and others who bought one?
 
Five hundred bucks for the developer mac. Not bad.



BUT you have to give it back.

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And it also means goodby Hackintosh users or unsupported Macs. Been fun having you.

By your last sentence it's quite clear that this bothers you for some reason. Why? It's just a small community of people that do this as a fun side project.
 
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It took Apple less than four years to obsolete the last G5s after the switch to Intel. So another full-on architecture change. For this of us with 2019 MBPs or Mac Pros this’ll be fun.

And it also means goodby Hackintosh users or unsupported Macs. Been fun having you.

Why goodbye? It is maybe welcome macOSon Raspbery Pi :)
 
People forget that these decision aren’t made lightly.

I don't think anyone is claiming that the decision was made lightly. But there are definitely casualties to the choice. I've got an office full of developers, most of them using macOS as their primary development machine. It seems unlikely that we'll be able to support macOS on ARM with our build process which requires x86 virtualization and container compatibility. All of those developers at my company are on "their last Mac" (or, more accurately, will not be able to transition to ARM based Macs).

Now, it's quite possible that Apple will gain more new customers than they will lose from this transition, and if that's the case then it was a wise decision for them to make. It doesn't mean that some people will be left standing on the side of the road looking for a new ride, though.

The team of MBA, and PhD/master degrees engineers are also not there just for show, let alone the hundreds of million of dollars they are spending.

That same team of MBAs and PhD/master degree engineers also decided that the 2013 Mac Pro was a great idea and we all know how that turned out.
 
They didn't really share any benchmarks or comparisons beyond that vague graph.

Because they’re only showing it running on an A12Z, which is just their 2018 design with one more GPU core. The A14 generation is going to be a beast.
 
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