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Apple Transitioning Macs to Custom Chips With 'Incredible' Performance Starting Later This Year

jvlfilms said:
That was only through emulation, not native code.

I can tell you I have played Fortnite on my iPad Pro in native resolution at 60 FPS with very few dips. Am very very excited for these ARM processors on desktop machines.
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Fortnite is easy to run. I want to see how the new ARM Macs run a real game like WoW Shadowlands coming out later this year.
 
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ARM SoCs are excellent for low-power mobile usage. That's what they're designed for, after all.

Slim and thin portable devices, battery powered.

Now Apple will be able to make the thinnest and slimmest iMac ever. Bezel free. Perhaps even with a touch screen.
 
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AppleMad98004 said:
No more Bootcamp/ Windows, though? Only virtualization?


That's correct. You heard Tim mention Linux etc but never Windows. Not more native Windows support.
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I expect a complet OS lockdown, as iOS is.
So, mandetory online activation and a signed OS to make it work.

EDIT: After looking at some more WWDC videos it seems, that while it seems that although there will be system volume signing, that the option to boot off another volume should still work... but is that Intel only?
 
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ONJ said:
I agree with you. This is buidling a huge walled garden to only suit what Apple wants you to do. I to will be leaving this platform. I'm sick of what that have done with iOSingfying everything to the point that it's hard to even understand where they are headed. Big Sur looks identical to iOS iPad. MacOS will sadly disappear. I'm sticking with Mojave until I can work out how to migrate my entire life to Linux. I'm done.
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Walled garden? Can you run MacOS on a Lenovo or Dell Laptop? Apple have given their users more options than other manufacturers for a long time When they really didn’t have to.
 
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PortoMavericks said:
Mark my words, Apple will never open up the Mac bootloader to another OS.

Apple will never write Windows drivers for their A12z CPU or something.

They will never write Windows drivers for their GPU.

Once Apple does that, Qualcomm and Microsoft will learn all the secrets that they have locked up inside their silicon.
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So why NVIDIA write windows driver?
AMD could get all those secret inside nvidia silicon, no?
 
Hori said:
I don’t understand why you guys don’t get this is the A12 and not the A14 that these new Macs will be shipping with.

look at it like this they got the iPad Pro 2020 to run tomb raider. Not the new Macs that are coming will be a lot stronger.
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I blame failures of the education system in this country :)
 
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Hm, all Apple silicon... Are we going to see a new foray into video game console market a few years down the line?
 
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AceFernalld said:
Yeah, that was interesting. With the Intel transition they gave specific PPW statistics. Just used buzz-words and vague graphs for this one.
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There won’t be any benchmarks for a while. The developer box is running an A12Z while rumors tell us the first shipping ARM Macs will be running a variation of the A14 chip. Any benchmarks for the A12Z will be meaningless since we can expect a 5nm A14 variant to run significantly faster than the 7nm A12Z, especially with the desktop variant running at a significantly higher voltage. As Tim Cook said, the first ARM Macs will be out by the end of the year.
 
Ar40 said:
The gaming performance looked quite unremarkable. I have played Shadow of Tomb Raider and the graphics are far superior on any gaming PC. They got smooth framerate by going to a VERY low resolution (nobody plays in 1080p anymore), and the graphics quality was set extremely low - it looked like the old Tomb Raider games from the 00's.
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That was running in emulation, on essentially a 2018 iPad processor. If Shadow of the Tomb Raider can run 1080p smoothly even at low settings in those circumstances, that’s VERY promising for what a nice new A14 gen chip will do in a native app.
 
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Val-kyrie said:
Apple appears unprepared for this. Two years to transition is one year too long. No ARM-based Macs until the end of the year. There was no information about I/O ports or actual performance. The demos were weak and short.

I remember the last transition (to Intel). There was a lot more information provided at WWDC at that time. I have no confidence in this transition. I will watch from the Windows in my new home. Best wishes to y'all.
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I'm waiting to see how they'll support PCI and Thunderbolt specially.
As far as I know, the A12z has no PCI support on the i/o controller.
 
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citysnaps said:
Love seeing all the FUD here! Some just relish staying stuck in the past.
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Lollll. I'm happy to see Apple moving forward with a better chipset. I'm personally just trying to decide what to do with my 2020 MBP that I just got. Unlike iPhones, I tend to have a 7 year lifecycle with my laptops and enjoyed a very healthy 7 years out of my 2013 MBP which I just upgraded.
 
I'm retroactively very glad I bought the last generation of 15" MBP when I did. Besides the keyboard which is awful, in 3-4 years I'll be ready to upgrade to whatever ARM MBP is available with a great GPU combo and all the initial Adobe bugs worked out.

I've seen what the iPad Pro can do and am very excited for the possibilities of this chip running macOS.
 
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djjeff said:
May I inquire as to why? Not trying to be snarky, genuine question.
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Because just like others here a substantial portion of my work depends on me using Windows in VMWare. I can't do that with an ARM machine. If it had been possible they would have shown Windows running and not Linux. I also like the flexibility of booting into Windows to play games occasionally. That's all gone with this platform now. I'd have to dramatically alter my workflow to use this and if i'm doing that I might as well switch to Windows.
 
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redheeler said:
It took Apple less than four years to obsolete the last G5s after the switch to Intel. So another full-on architecture change. For this of us with 2019 MBPs or Mac Pros this’ll be fun.

And it also means goodby Hackintosh users or unsupported Macs. Been fun having you.
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saw boat, I also had purchased a G4 Powerbook un 2004 and that was an awful time. It does look like they will support the intel makes for more then 2 years.... Tim said may years to come. with the size fo the user base now they can't cut support as fast. I'll be happy with software update till 2025 on my 2019
 
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