Windows has documentation on how to install on ARM systems: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/But will it as well run Windows (for ARM) via Boot Camp? I hope so, as Windows 10 for ARM processors does exist already. This entire decade I've been developing drivers and tools for Boot Camp (Trackpad++ drivers, for example). So I hope Boot Camp will not be gone...
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Apple Transitioning Macs to Custom Chips With 'Incredible' Performance Starting Later This Year
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They did not show the demo running from the Mac mini, they showed it from that special in house iMac that is said to have an A12Z cpu but they did not commented on the gpu that it might or might not have. It could be the gpu from the A12Z or it could be a Radeon Pro 5600M or even something more powerful that they have in house.
Just bought a mpb 16 today for a good deal. Don’t feel bad in the least. Running Windows is desired.
Maybe you wana google the difference between obsolete and kaputt?
It's not the OS support that is of concern. The concern is if application developers continue to support them.
I'm going to wait to see what the performance of Linux and Windows under VMware is like, otherwise I'm pretty sure my 2018 is going to be my last MacBook...
I have no need for an oversized iPad.
I have no need for an oversized iPad.
I’m disappointed there was no announcement of XCode running on the iPad. If it were to happen, I’d expect Apple to have announced it today, so Jon Prosser was wrong on this one.
Exactly, this is one of the biggest drawbacks. In general Linux does not support metal, neither does Windows, so both will have to use dead slow GPU emulation, even if running native ARM code.
WOn't be buying another Mac. Won't run CentOS and my engineering tools.
I'll be building Xeon machines of my own.
I'll be building Xeon machines of my own.
There needs to be motivation though.
Even Microsoft isn’t committed enough to compile its own apps for windows on arm.
They do...3rd party devs don't. Its not the Mac/OS i'm talking about. Its the 3rd party apps that will need to be transitioned over.
If shadow of the tomb raider is running well I think WOW should have no problem.
Remember Blizzard was one of the few companies that support PowerPC mac gaming back then.
And Wow already running on Windows 10 ARM today via emulation.
No, they actually could introduce a board with ARM chips on it that you could boot into. Doesn't mean they will. of course.
It will most likely move to the next version of the T2 chip (PCI and Thunderbolt support) if it is not already there.
I noticed that they only discussed Linux in the context of virtualization support - no mention of Windows. I believe that implies no support for X86 instructions...
Yep. No Windows.
Nobody is going to make Windows drivers for an Apple chip.
You repurposed a $1500 machine to do something you can do with a $35 raspberry Pi? Not an insult, I guess I just don’t see the value in trying to cram square pegs in a round hole.
Tim Cook said himself that Apple’s ARM chips are designed for minimal power consumption - which is great for phones and tablets, but silly for computers. Computer processors need to be designed for performance!
Power consumption is all but irrelevant on a desktop Mac, but even on notebooks, Macs have demonstrated that they are capable of using Intel and having great battery life. At best it might be a little better for the environment, but I think it is probably the screens that use the most electricity, and Macs are a very small percentage of computers anyway.
This makes me feel like my computer is going to be forced to run on a cell phone CPU - a cell phone CPU that is AWESOME, but it is awesome for cell phones. Why would I want it on my computer?
I hate to say this, but this is the first time in years I am thinking about possibly switching to Windows. I’m not saying that to try to rile anybody up, but I mean, I’m basically losing all my existing software either way now.
Power consumption is all but irrelevant on a desktop Mac, but even on notebooks, Macs have demonstrated that they are capable of using Intel and having great battery life. At best it might be a little better for the environment, but I think it is probably the screens that use the most electricity, and Macs are a very small percentage of computers anyway.
This makes me feel like my computer is going to be forced to run on a cell phone CPU - a cell phone CPU that is AWESOME, but it is awesome for cell phones. Why would I want it on my computer?
I hate to say this, but this is the first time in years I am thinking about possibly switching to Windows. I’m not saying that to try to rile anybody up, but I mean, I’m basically losing all my existing software either way now.
You can stream games on macOS with GeForce Now-but no Xbox Studios titles anymore streaming via GeForce Now, so there goes the stunning Microsoft Flight Simulator unless Xbox decides to bring xCloud to macOS officially.
Psh I rely on Bootcamp too for running Windows for work, and I'm not all that worried. Did you just straight up miss the part where they talked about virtualization? They even demoed running Linux using Parallels, which is basically just Bootcamp without having to restart your machine. Apple knows how vital Bootcamp is and has been for many of their Mac users. I'm not a betting man but even I would make the bet that nothing will happen to that functionality.
Bottom line, if the transition was expected be the hell that many of you seem to be convinced it will be, they wouldn't still be shipping Intel-based Macs well into their transition period..