Apple will just pay YouTubers to say ARM performance is magic. Same as with the PowerPC chips. Back then you could go into stores and compare PC's with Pentium chips to Apple and see that the PC's were quicker at everything while Apple was still spewing their BS for several years after.
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Apple Transitioning Macs to Custom Chips With 'Incredible' Performance Starting Later This Year
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Apple will just pay YouTubers to say ARM performance is magic. Same as with the PowerPC chips. Back then you could go into stores and compare PC's with Pentium chips to Apple and see that the PC's were quicker at everything while Apple was still spewing their BS for several years after.
Or we finally get that “touchscreen Mac” through the back door. Theoretically, the new Macs can run iOS/iPadOS software, but without a touch layer it would be less than ideal.
Android phones are ARM based just like iPhones. Now show me one running iOS and I'll agree that it's possible.
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I highly doubt Apple will merge the mouse designed OS with the finger designed OS, ever.
I still remember PPC to Intel transition and a bit of Mac OS 9 to OS X transition. Needless to say that Jobs cared about customers much more than todays management (just remember OS 9 ”funeral”). Anyways PPC-Intel was painful, especially for those, who bought top-grade PPC PowerMacs in 2005 just to see them useless in 2008 (shipped with 10.4, not supported by 10.6). And for those, who got MBA 1.1 and other early 2006-2008 computers which were dropped in three or four years (shipped with 10.5 as I remember, not supported by 10.8).
So what do we get? Heaps of ‘obsolete‘ intel Macs by 2022. Loads of ‘obsolete’ software not running on Arm macs. Incompatibility w/Windows world.
So what do we get? Heaps of ‘obsolete‘ intel Macs by 2022. Loads of ‘obsolete’ software not running on Arm macs. Incompatibility w/Windows world.
Ah... The unitless graph. Easily the form of communication with the least information per square meter.
Funny, with all the debate about 12" MB versus developer MP, the mini never crossed my mind...
That makes absolutely no sense at all. Laptops are probably the single biggest form factor they sell right now.
Golden Cove will be out by 2021 - it will be competing with AMD's Zen4 (5nm).
Apple has become irrelevant for folks that need horsepower.
You Probably did ... learn to read between the lines, the life and value of intel macs is done ... making this machine eventually useless and unsellable ... especially with inability to run new apps ... ah how fun to be young and naive...
Incorrect. It was 6 years from release of the Intel Mac Pro until Rosetta was removed with OSX Lion.
Well, they even ran Maya, emulated, on a 2 year old iPad CPU.
"I hate to say this, but this is the first time in years I am thinking about possibly switching to Windows."
Write Tim Cook a letter letting him know Apple has absolutely no idea what they're doing with respect to trading power dissipation and performance. Telling him you're switching to Windows will also show him you mean business!
That's absolutely true. It's up to the developers to decide whether Apple is a market worth pursuing.
Here's how I'm seeing it:
iOS/iPadOS already dwarfs Mac. There are far more iOS/iPadOS apps than Mac apps. So, in the not too distant future, one of the key selling points for a new Mac is, "You can run all your favorite iPad and iPhone apps on your laptop/desktop." I think that's compelling for a much larger market share than, "You can run your Windows apps in Bootcamp."
Consider how many large corporations are already running iOS/iPadOS with Mobile Device Management. Imagine if the ease of administering that platform (and the pre-existing investment in that platform) can encompass all the office laptops as well. Goodbye to the expense of dual-platform support.
What about independent developers? By choosing to write for the Apple ARM platform, a developer can sell their apps for iPad and iPhone as well as Mac. That's a far, far larger market than writing for Mac alone.
For example, a maker of CAD/CAM software can produce, with virtually no additional effort, a version that runs on tablet for the factory floor as well as on monster desktops (and I'm sure they've already had MacPro-quality processors in development for quite some time).
What I see is the potential over the next 5-10 years of Apple moving its desktop market share from 10% to 20% or more. The bigger the share, the more attractive it is to developers of niche/industrial applications. It becomes a "virtuous circle" where greater app availability drives larger platform market share, and greater platform market share drives greater app availability.
I have to admit that I was skeptical, but at least this settles some of my concerns While I do use some virtualization, it's mostly for running a virtual lab environment that I can do on a bare metal hypervisor server and I don't necessarily used a lot of applications that require me to use Windows, except for games which I can convert my former x99 Hackintosh into a dedicated gaming machine. I typically use macOS only applications and everything is covered with my Photoshop, Adobe Acrobat and Office 365 subscriptions already. Definitely not going to sink $6000+ on a Mac Pro that will go obsolete in two years and just wait for the Macbook Pro 16 that uses the new chips.
Still, it's interesting that Apple is able to emulate x86-64 with good performance while Microsoft still struggles. It makes me wonder if Microsoft will step up their game now that Apple showed them that it's possible to emulate these apps with good performance. Also, I hope that Thunderbolt 3 devices will work once the actual devices using these chips will come out in 2021. Also, it's a plus that these devices won't have the security flaws that Intel have with Spectre, Meltdown, etc.
Still, it's interesting that Apple is able to emulate x86-64 with good performance while Microsoft still struggles. It makes me wonder if Microsoft will step up their game now that Apple showed them that it's possible to emulate these apps with good performance. Also, I hope that Thunderbolt 3 devices will work once the actual devices using these chips will come out in 2021. Also, it's a plus that these devices won't have the security flaws that Intel have with Spectre, Meltdown, etc.
Wow! Rosetta 2! Spent a lot of late nights with V1. Hopefully this version is easier to use and has less limitations.
It was the same with the Intel transition. The Developer Edition was based on a Pentium 4, but the first versions were based on the Core Duo. We already know generally how the A12Z performs on native code. My guess is that the first Macs with Apple Silicon will be running an A14Z or perhaps a different fork altogether.
It’s great that they are including it. They must think it will be “fast enough” for the transition.
To be honest, after realising that my iPad has been substantially faster than my MBP, they did not need to describe it here either.
If the demo was running on an A12Z, it would be the integrated 8-core GPU.
I don't know what kind of external PCIe bus exists for A-series chips (if they even have one?) so I don't think they could even add in a graphics card if they wanted to.
I would think future notebook / iMac versions would have a choice of SOCs with Apple or AMD GPUs, maybe connecting directly via Infinity Fabric in the latter case. A Mac Pro or xMac might be a different story though.
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The Final Cut Pro demo of three streams running on an A12X looked impressive. I hope it signals a 14inch MacBook Pro (13inch with new chassis) which is the perfect portability form factor for me, but with significantly improved graphical capabilities above the intel graphics. This is my dream machine.
You will have to invest into an x86-64 computer, so ... buy the Macs you have right now.
Interesting thing is, that they didn't visually refresh the iMac line. Maybe later on another event.
You’ve seen quite a few changes in the Mac since then. I’m excited too — they now have complete control over every major facet of the machine. The only limit is their imagination.