Perhaps in mobile devices but there are no public desktop Apple ARM chips upon which to make such a statement.
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Apple Transitioning Macs to Custom Chips With 'Incredible' Performance Starting Later This Year
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If developers are developing for ARM-based Macs, Apple is providing backwards compatibility. If developers have already been developing for Intel-based Macs, all the tools are provided for supporting both ARM and Intel. If in 7 years Apple stops supplying a version of macOS that supports Intel, then for three more years they can use the last version of macOS that does support Intel. All these concerns have been addressed.
The only compatibility issue is for developers who NEVER supported Mac on Intel - those who said, "Apple has Bootcamp, why bother producing a Mac version at all?"
It's the same benchmark whether you run it on a phone or a desktop computer. The device is doing the exact same thing. You can only worry about long time sustainability of this performance, what happens if the benchmark lasts 1 hour instead of 1 minute. But remember A series chips are passively cooled, for now.
If this is expected to take 2 years to transition, they cannot just sit on the current configurations. Intel released new 10th generation processors and will release at least another generation in the next two years.
On computers. What matters is when you write software for ARM, you deploy it to more people.
Yea, I'm also left scratching my head about what's in it for end-users? During the Intel transition keynote, the sell was clear: faster performance and opening the door to thousands of more apps.
Based on independent knowledge I can surmise the benefits of an ARM transition here, but they certainly didn't explain any benefits to end-users during the keynote.
Have to be honest showing off the performance of word, excel and PowerPoint made me laugh out loud. “Look at the smooth scrolling.” Seriously?! I also was not a fan of the iPad OS. Sure people will love it but I’m a professional, and this is a very dumbs down, over embellished OS. Maybe OS PRO should be thought of. For the shame people using the touch at and emojis on the mbp.
I'm pretty excited about the Mac platform. Can't wait to see what new form factors of Macs we may get with Apple Silicon.
Full circle for me, it’ll be great to have ARM back in my desktop.
(ex Acorn Archimedes and RiscPC owner)
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Back when I first heard about the ARM switch rumours, I must admit the geeky thought did cross my mind that we might be able to run RISC OS on our shiny new ARMacs; it's already running quite nicely on the Raspberry PI, after all.
THAT's a Hackintosh project I could excited about
Five hundred bucks for the developer mac. Not bad.
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"The DTK is owned by Apple and must be returned."
$500 to rent it. Not great.
No, Apple may be able to pull some wizardry on the CPU side, but unless they figured out some new way of rendering, the only way to get good performance in 4K with all the eye candy turned on is on very large chips drawing high amounts of power.
For example, the top dog in gaming right now is the 2080ti
It's what's required to play the latest A+ titles in 4K with all the eye candy turned on at 60+ FPS.
This is a 754 mm2 sized chip whilst the A12Z is a measly 122 mm2. It also almost pulls 300 watts.
Granted it's on an older TSMC process, but still A+ titles with maxed out graphics in 4K are not coming to Apple Silicon Macs anytime soon.
Eh, actually Greg said all the demo’s were shown on the A12Z..
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This is a developer conference. If they are coming out with the first Apple Silicon Mac by the end of year then that would be the time.
They can actually read and think, it happens that they are in the denial stage. Well, some already moved to the 2nd stage (anger), but hopefully most of them will be already in the acceptance by the end of the year so we don't have to read people crying all over in every Mac news.
I guess the hope is that if ARM performance is superior (and consumer market share for Macs sees substantial growth), maybe developers will look to develop for ARM Macs. I'm not very optimistic that happens, and no plan to ditch PC I assembled just for gaming, but who knows. Maybe when it's time to look at upgrading/replacing my gaming rig, there might be a legit option to play intensive games on my Mac. Hope springs eternal. 😆
Well, I don't believe in magic. Lower power consumption = less powerful A/G/C/PU, it's general rule for more or less similar tech process. You need power for transistors. Lesser number of transistors - lesser computing power.
I felt the same way about Iraq having "weapons of mass destruction" but after Colin Powell's presentation at the UN I was all in.
I guess that depends on the word, “powerful”. Remember Qualcomm makes the SoC for the Surface Pro X, which is an ARM-based processor. Microsoft uses a crappy x86 emulator that runs like a dog and has no x64 emulator, making the Surface Pro X a no-buy since there’s barely any software for it. But Apple isn’t alone in trying to move to ARM. I’m wondering how much modification it would take for the Windows 10 ARM version to run on an A-series Mac?
which ones because I can’t find any that runs any proper OS other than raspberry pi devices
They did not show any numbers on the intel transition either. They did the exact same thing here. They are not going to ruin the surprise by releasing benchmarks of unreleased apple hardware.
Seriously. I wonder how much of their hardware design is constrained by having to provide power and heat dispersal to Intel chips. This is an exciting time.
Oh shoot, I must have missed the part where Intel Mac's are going to lock up and prevent you from using them once the bionic version lands.
Well, the average person is pretty stupid, now consider that 50% of people are stupider than that.