I think she more than knew.
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I think she more than knew.
And I responded to the scenario you set up. If the scenario was in a club, at a gym, on the street. My response would be different.
The moment you put the setting in a workplace it raises the bar on “bumbling”.....
Meaning work isn’t the place for romance. Period.
Of all the shows, I actually liked See the most, but I have always been a fan of “into the badlands” type of shows. I agree that it does require a lot more suspension of disbelief, like their clothes being ridiculously colour-coordinated for a blind society, but ultimately, it’s a show about blind people made for people aren’t blind, so something has got to give. Jason Mamoa really carries the whole show.
I just couldn’t watch “for all mankind”, though it seems quite popular here.
By the time the TV+ free trial expires at the end of the year, we would have gotten second seasons of the original shows, plus a larger stable of original content. Throw in an annual subscription plan to reduce churn, and I think it won’t be too long before TV+ breaks even or starts to turn a profit.
The incumbents would take care not to underestimate Apple’s ability to rewrite the rules of the respective industries they compete in.
That's the stupidest illogical comment ever made.
You do realise that the workplace is where a large amount of married people first meet, don't you. Clearly not.
If the guy didn't ask said colleague on a date, said 'romance' wouldn't occur now would it.
Somehow you're of the delution that humans interacting in the workplace automatically means they'd never feel attraction to one another due to the space they happen to be in. Highly unlikely.
That doesn't mean everyone is having random rampant sex in the store cupboard either.
I don’t think anyone is stating otherwise. But don’t you think others might? I’ve seen many situations in which romance started between two working individuals at work. I think it’s within human nature to get involved in a sexual relation, not because each individual is in need for that, like you’ve stated yourself, but because if the situation presents itself it simply might (again not always) trickers that need.
Simply put, yes, a working contract most often doesn’t involve getting into relationship with your co-workers or clients, unless you work in the red light district down here in Amsterdam the Netherlands where I live, but humans do have emotions, once a person trickers these emotions, one way or the other, people could simply fall in love or feel sexual attracted.
It’s, imho, not about being good or wrong here, these things simply happens within the context of being human. It’s only bad when it occurs in ways which are ethical wrong, for example when one person is using his or her status at work to suppress another co-worker in search for sexual conduct. Then you’re talking about abuse.
I would be embarrassed if I posted a critique of a post without providing any rationale or basis.
Did you see the original post I replied to?
The poster set up a scenario in a workplace to explain ‘bumbling conversation’ with the opposite sex. The scene was a married guy awkwardly Talking to his married female coworker whom he thought was “giving him the look” so to speak. And then suggested they meet up later.......!
The poster later said there was nothing illegal about this encounter. Although stupid, does not rise to the level as sexual assault or sexual misconduct.
That scenario is textbook sexual misconduct in any workplace.
Personally I had (I am now married) a strict separation of work and pleasure mantra.
BTW yes romance can start in the workplace. But every job I know of has HR rules in place to allow courting and at the same time, avoid sexual misconduct.
Problem with your argument is the fact that everybody in Hollywood knew about HW so although your point is valid and fair, it really is not in this case.
I’ll provide the rationale or basis, that is so obvious, the user you are replying to didn’t bother elaborating upon.
You claim ATV+ has 5 great shows (highly debatable), while Netflix, in it’s entire library, cannot match it.
I don’t know how you could claim this with a straight face, sounds like an Onion story. Utter drivel.
And here I was just talking about the typos....
Also look at his joined date... Post iPhone Apple fan.
Maybe Apple is putting subliminal messages such as (must love Apple TV+ even if it isn't good) into their shows and films while watching on Apple Hardware.... You wondered what the T2 chip was really for...
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I stand by that. The only good originals on Netflix are Stranger Things, Mindhunters, Bodyguard, and Daredevil. Apple has that beat with The Morning Show, See, Dickinson, Servant, and For All Mankind.
Wait, why do I need evidence? You failed, spectacularly, to grasp my rather simple point: that blaming Oprah, or anyone else, for associating with Harvey Weinstein is false righteousness. Posturing that they should have known and done something when it’s impossible to know what they knew or didn’t know.
Also, “failed actress feminists”? Nice victim blaming/shaming.
You don’t know who is a victim until there are FACTS. And when you make an accusation, you need FACTS to back it up. Is that a simple concept? Or one you don’t agree with?
Oprah Says Her Exit From Russell Simmons Doc Is 'Not A Victory For Him' - Blavity
Days after Oprah Winfrey rescinded her involvement as an executive producer for On The Record, a documentary about allegations of misconduct against Russell Simmons, she has revealed why in an interview with The New York Times. In the interview, Winfrey revealed that Simmons reached out to her...
"This is not a victory for Russell. I unequivocally say that I did not pull out because of Russell. This is not a victory lap for him. I cannot be silenced by a Russell Simmons after all I've been through."
"I don't care about awards—I just care about getting it right, and I think there are some inconsistencies in the stories that we need to look at. I wanted the context of the story to be broadened, I wanted more women brought into the story," she said.
The problem with your argument is it’s not true. “Everybody in Hollywood” knew? So Oprah, who was raped when she was nine years old, knew Weinstein was a rapist and she thought, what a great guy, I can’t wait to get my picture taken kissing him.
Yeah sure ?
I wouldnt say everyone in Hollywood, but it’s certainly not surprising. When I worked in that industry, you hear a lot of he said / she said. Many try to network despite whatever stories they have heard about the people they are networking with
I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing? Also, I’m not sure what you mean by “it’s certainly not surprising”? What isn’t?
Anyway, I was referring to Oprah and a picture of her kissing Weinstein that was posted early in this thread. The person who posted it thought it was taken in 2018, a year after the women accused Weinstein of rape and other crimes. It was actually taken 4 years prior.
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i am specifically talking about what people knew of Weinstein and some of the moguls in the industry. Yeah I know the photo was taken 4 yrs prior of the accusations.
Ok, let me rephrase that. Not 'everybody' but most. See the response below yours. It was a common knowledge in the circles.
Gotcha. Yeah I thought we were talking about two different things.
I was discussing Oprah.
I've read several takes from people that watched the documentary at Sundance. The most interesting take for me is a mini-review from author and columnist Demetria L. Lucas:
I get why Russell Simmons moved to Bali, a city in a country that has no extradition treaty with the US. Bali’s dope. I wouldn’t question why anyone would move to Bali... unless it was someone with 20 women accusing them of rape or attempted rape. Not ‘I was hazy on consent’ rape, but ‘he pinned me down, I was screaming “no” and fighting and he raped me anyway’ kinda rape. The statue of limitations is up on most of the alleged crimes. Not all. Hence #RussellinBali
This isn’t a one-woman story, or a one-off incident. This was an alleged pattern of behavior over 30 years and NINE women are talking about it in #ontherecord
I watched the film looking for the reasons Oprah signed on and pulled out. Seriously, I can’t figure it out. There’s nothing that gives me greater pause than any other doc about assault, which is notoriously hard to prove. The women seemed credible, if for no other reason than nine people who never met or barely knew each other had the same damn story.
I get why Russell Simmons moved to Bali, a city in a country that has no extradition treaty with the US. Bali’s dope. I wouldn’t question why anyone would move to Bali... unless it was someone with 20 women accusing them of rape or attempted rape. Not ‘I was hazy on consent’ rape, but ‘he pinned me down, I was screaming “no” and fighting and he raped me anyway’ kinda rape. The statue of limitations is up on most of the alleged crimes. Not all. Hence #RussellinBali
This isn’t a one-woman story, or a one-off incident. This was an alleged pattern of behavior over 30 years and NINE women are talking about it in #ontherecord
I watched the film looking for the reasons Oprah signed on and pulled out. Seriously, I can’t figure it out. There’s nothing that gives me greater pause than any other doc about assault, which is notoriously hard to prove. The women seemed credible, if for no other reason than nine people who never met or barely knew each other had the same damn story.