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no actually that is not true, if you want to pause rewind or any other function you would do with a remote ,well you need the device. chromecast is airplay that is all it is

So you're saying that you can pause, rewind and such without anything but your mind with ATV? You still need something to do those tasks with ATV.

Chromecast is much more than just airplay.
 
So you're saying that you can pause, rewind and such without anything but your mind with ATV? You still need something to do those tasks with ATV.

Chromecast is much more than just airplay.

Chrome cast is app specific mirroring. That's it. Limited and lame.
 
Chrome cast is app specific mirroring. That's it. Limited and lame.

Seriously, I want to know just a couple of things that ATV does that the Chromecast cannot?

I'm asking for real knowledge, not to be argumentative. Saying this in a real friendly voice.

Because from my understanding, as I own a Chromecast but not an ATV, there is not one single type of media that both can't play. I literally can cast anything I want now, be it pdfs, documents, music, movies whatever.
 
"difficult to call it a hobby"

lol... damn right.


time for Apple to get their heads out of the clouds.... $1 billion is nothing to sneeze at....

Its like like saying "Siri has been popular with iOS in the car, but its still in beta forever"
 
Chromecast sells for $35 and does everything and is totally open, or so Google says. You can almost buy three Chromecasts for the price of one AppleTV. Apple continues to let Google get into its kitchen and that's why Google shares are sitting at $1200 and Apple's shares are continuously heading towards $500. Tim Cook just doesn't understand the gravity of the situation concerning Apple's shareholder value. All the companies Apple could have acquired for almost nothing last year, have practically doubled in value while Apple has simply faded. That's just Apple's horrible management strategy of being penny wise and pounds foolish.

$35 but how many people have bought it? What is the profit margin? Again another instance where Google is shown favoritism.

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Google's 3 Stooges of Schmidt, Page and Brin have silver tongues and can easily convince Wall Street investors their Android Everywhere/Autonomous Robot strategy will pay off big-time in the future. On the other hand, Apple has Mr. Mumbles Tim Cook who can't convince investors the sun is going to rise tomorrow. When Steve Jobs died he took all of his Reality Distortion Field with him. Tim Cook has only a Reality Destruction Field. Google doesn't require fixed profit margins, so only high potential growth matters to investors. Google shareholders win, Apple shareholder lose.
Can't argue with you on that one.

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Because the markets are dominated by Traders not Investors. Investors look long term. Traders seize on each rumor, each speculation, each twitch of TC's ear and bid the stock up and down.

But again. Googles only real profit is ads, right? What person invest in a company with one significant source of revenue. Apple has iPhones, iPads, macs (still making decent money and if focused on, can take a lot more of the PC share) while Google has ads... Oh well, all this is teaching me is to not invest unless it's on Google #.
 
they're gearing up for something huge... it's gonna be a great year once they get the ball rolling on the first release.

I'd normally be thrilled to share your optimism, but after a very lackluster 2013 (except for their usual profits) I'm in the wait and see mode. Apple is still deeply enmeshed in profit taking. When it comes to producing product their new tactic can be summed up as slightly incremental at best. As long as the user base remains easily impressed, there's no pressure on Apple to perform.
 
Would the CEO talk on the Apple TV and talk it up (a $1 billion business on it own) if it wasn't leading somewhere soon?

Most of us will be disappointed in whatever Apple releases as the next version because many Macrumours fans believe it to be a magic box full of potential. However, Apples hands are tied due to content restrictions and cable companies.

I'd like to see the Apple TV have a 32GB SSD and a router combined - I'd like it to be able to run iOS games and a UI overhaul. At WWDC I'd like the company to open up the Apple TV to developers. I can't think it there would be huge amounts of apps worth downloading like on the iPhone and iPad but I do think some developers could make some extraordinary apps.

The WWE channel is very much a sign of things to come in the future.

Clearly "content is king" remains the mantra for all of broadcasting.

I totally agree with you on the "hands-tied" notion. I think Apple will have to overcome significant perception fears from both the media providers and the media providers' perception of the legal system. But I also think that, given the financial demographic that Apple serves, the deal *will* get done. I suspect that I am not the only well-employed Apple customer who wants the content providers to "get off the pot".

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I'd normally be thrilled to share your optimism, but after a very lackluster 2013 (except for their usual profits) I'm in the wait and see mode. Apple is still deeply enmeshed in profit taking. When it comes to producing product their new tactic can be summed up as slightly incremental at best. As long as the user base remains easily impressed, there's no pressure on Apple to perform.

How can you look at the Mac Pro and say that Apple's "new tactic can be summed up as slightly incremental at best"?

Seriously?
 
No one cares you can't use it for Plex or some third party system. Apple TV is for Apple-ecosystem - iTunes and iCloud. They don't want you to restore it with a Plex system.

I care. That would mean I could do all my media streaming with one box. That is incredibly appealing. I would be willing to bet that there are a lot more like me who care as well.
 
Your failure to see outside of the box is the reason we find ourselves trapped with such an abysmal level of service.

-Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/ETC have contracts giving them the rights to stream that content. Apple already streams most of it on current apple TV's. A new apple TV interface integrating that content doesn't give content providers the right to pull the plug on netflix/amazon/hulu/etc. It's already being done - It's not like a new Apple TV is going to topple the current model of streaming TV.

-Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu have already produced or are producing their own high quality content (Have you seen house of cards?). They're showing that we aren't trapped with the old way of doing things. They'll only be able to produce more and more content as the market moves away from the cable dinosaurs.

-There are a TON of talented people on the internet just itching for a way to get their quality content into your living room, but right now are lacking an efficient means to distribute, monetize, and promote their content in a professional way that a living room audience will want. With an app store and content discovery/aggregation that Apple's Matcha purchase SHOULD bring, all anybody needs is talent, recording equipment, and access to the internet rather than a foot in the door with a major network.

But, if dinosaurs like you can't imagine anything different, I'm sure somebody will be glad to keep robbing you of money. They still sell VCR's after all. Also, thanks for the irrelevant and common sense tutorial on how TV revenue works.

Without the "content provider dinosaurs" there would be no appreciable amount of content for Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Apple, etc., to build streaming services out of. When it comes to TV most often the content provider is also the content producer (the entity that foots the bill to make the content). HBO pays the production costs of Game of Thrones specifically so people will pay for cable plus HBO. FOX pays the production costs to make The Following so people will tune into FOX Monday nights at 9/8 central.

Content creators (people that come up with the ideas and then execute them once they get funding) shop around ideas/concepts to TV networks, not finished products. That's what pilot season is all about. You make one episode as a proof of concept, show it around to different networks and hope that someone likes the idea enough to foot the bill for a whole seasons worth of episodes.

As another poster mentioned, TV revenue is all tied to ad sales which is tied to viewership. It's completely opposite from the business model the music industry uses and a much more complicated one.


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you will never get next day streaming of every show for $99 per year
comcast and most TV providers pay the content companies $35 per account per month for access to content

Hulu already does it. I get almost all the shows I want next day on hulu for around $95 a year....Why can't apple do the same thing for $99?

I never said EVERY show.
 
Your failure to see outside of the box is the reason we find ourselves trapped with such an abysmal level of service.
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But, if dinosaurs like you can't imagine anything different, I'm sure somebody will be glad to keep robbing you of money. They still sell VCR's after all. Also, thanks for the irrelevant and common sense tutorial on how TV revenue works.

Seriously...? I've worked on everything from original web content to network TV shows to no-budget indies so, you're right, I have absolutely no practical experience whatsoever that would give me any sort of working knowledge or insight about the current state of content creation and distribution in the US. I'm also keenly aware that my working primarily in new media since 2006 or so doesn't mean all that much in this conversation about new media... so to put it another way, this "dinosaur" that can't "see outside of the box", and others like me, are the types of people figuring out how to make what you wish would happen actually happen.

Just for kicks, here's another irrelevant and common sense observation. Does Netflix allow current episodes of House of Cards to be streamed on Amazon or Hulu? Does Amazon allow current episodes of Betas to be streamed on Hulu or Netflix? Does Hulu allow current episodes of Quickdraw to stream on Netflix or Amazon? If Apple had any original content they allow it on competing streaming services? No? Really? It's almost like these companies take the financial risk to create original content so people will watch their channel... err... streaming service in order to generate revenue. Wow. What an completely unique way to do business.

Meet the new boss, pretty much the same as the old boss. Hell, even YouTube has continued its push into premium content by rolling out subscription based channels last year.

Final nugget of info for the night. My ideal situation is to make a decent living creating the content I want to create w/o a controlling network or studio holding the production's purse strings and w/o the necessity of distribution via a gatekeeper (be it Netflix or a TV channel). So yes, please, continue to condescend and lecture on about this brave, new world I'm unable to comprehend.
 
Apple can sell AppleTV for $49 each, and make billions in revenue though sub sales, more then make up for $50 less per unit.

I hope the next ATV is $75 each.
 
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