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Apple TV Delayed Until March
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I actually have never scratched a disk. I'm careful with them.
Ever have a corrupted file?
without 1080p support and avi support does anyone even care? this thing is so useless
Apple never said it didn't support 1080p.
What they said was that they do support 720p.
Isn't this the same thing? No. If Apple said they supported 1080p, people would assume and demand that all of the content in the iTunes store be in 1080p.
without 1080p support and avi support does anyone even care? this thing is so useless
Thank you so very much for opening my eyes! If you didn't feel the need to voice your opinion about how this product isn't right for me, I would have never thought about it.
Oh wait, my DLP TV only outputs 720p. And so do a lot of the other televisions out there. Next...
Do we have confirmation that it won't stream a 5.1 signal?
I'm pretty sure you can use Handbrake to rip DVDs and preserve the audio.
.avi support. pfffffff
I download lots of .avi files, but I convert them with VisualHub into mpeg-4 format so that I can watch it on my iPod. I couldn't care less about .avi or any other of those container files that I mostly see on Acquisition.
I'll bet people who are concerned about .avi are well aware of DVD and video conversion software. I have over 2 dozen DVD's ripped into H.264 format with HandBrake that I keep on my external HD and have on the iPod. You're not obligated to purchase iTunes movies, though I have purchased a couple and 3 seasons of 24 (it's cheaper than buying the DVD set in one lump sum, that's for sure)
People complain about the conversion time, but it takes about the same amount of time to actually download the movie from iTunes even with a good connection.
I download lots of .avi files, but I convert them with VisualHub into mpeg-4 format so that I can watch it on my iPod. I couldn't care less about .avi or any other of those container files that I mostly see on Acquisition.
I'll bet people who are concerned about .avi are well aware of DVD and video conversion software. I have over 2 dozen DVD's ripped into H.264 format with HandBrake that I keep on my external HD and have on the iPod. You're not obligated to purchase iTunes movies, though I have purchased a couple and 3 seasons of 24 (it's cheaper than buying the DVD set in one lump sum, that's for sure)
People complain about the conversion time, but it takes about the same amount of time to actually download the movie from iTunes even with a good connection.
With regard to theTV, I believe the real handicap for it is the fact that content providers are not providing an easy solution for consumers to get their shop bought DVD or HD-DVD movies onto their computers.
I honestly don't think that Apple cares about store bought media any more.
If anything,
TV promotes the use of the iTunes Store to purchase video and movies instead of going to a physical location to purchase the actual disc.Apple's not going to provide a simple solution for consumers to rip DVDs. Apple would rather have those consumers purchase the films directly through the iTunes store.
If the iTunes Store offers the same movies but now in Hi-Def, I bet you could convince some people to purchase the same movies again for the uprated quality.
Why do you think some film studios are re-releasing BR and HD discs of previously released films?
This same "people won't buy what they already own argument" went out the window when DVDs were first introduced. People claimed that DVDs would fail to catch on because it would require some people to repurchase movies. In the end though, the consumers sucked it up and gave the movie studies some more of their hard cold cash.
And the same is going to happen if Apple starts to offer 720p downloads on iTunes. Those that are tech savvy will likely have waited for this and held off buying any movies from iTunes. But for Joe Smith and his family, they might eventually purchase movies that they may have already bought.
The
If the movie/TV Show/Video has 5.1 audio it will play on any equipment that plays 5.1.
That's what I figured. I haven't purchased any movies from iTunes yet (only BCS Bowl games) but can someone check to see if the videos currently on iTunes have 5.1 audio?
I don't think Apple would offer streaming capabilities between your computer and TV and 5.1 audio and not have them work together.
without 1080p support and avi support does anyone even care? this thing is so useless
Who cares if the CONTENT its 400 something p, 720p, 1080p... as long as it's ENTERTAINING!!!
God! CONTENT! That is what matters!
a piece of device that don't give nothing new in the market is delayed and pre-announced by 7 months... i love
and that G5 3GHz by the end of 2005.
and that G5 3GHz by the end of 2005.
I'd venture to guess then that when
TV is released, the movies in iTunes will likewise be reworked to support the new capabilities offered by TV.Apple cannot afford to not have the movies not support 5.1 audio, especially when they are trying to market this thing as the perfect companion to a decent home theater set-up. (Wow, I just used a lot of "nots" in that sentence. Hope it made sense!
)Comcast + Tivo > ATV
What you don't seem to realize is that Comcast is about to start rolling out Tivo's software on their DVRs within the next month. They signed a deal in 2005, and it's taken a lot longer than they thought, but evidently they've been testing it since late last year.
Comcast On Demand + Tivo DVR means that I have no use for another marginal product such asTV.
I think Comcast is way on top when it comes to features and on demand selections. Pair that up with a Slingbox Pro and you have WAY more than you will ever get with an
...
I really don't care about the TiVo or Comcast thing, I have comcast and I'm sure TiVo works nicely, but I had to put in a plug for Slingbox if you haven't ever paired it up with your DVR. Definitely worth the $179 (AV) - $225 (pro). Biggest downer... it doesn't work with PALM OS yet and no REAL zoom features.
What you don't seem to realize is that Comcast is about to start rolling out Tivo's software on their DVRs within the next month. They signed a deal in 2005, and it's taken a lot longer than they thought, but evidently they've been testing it since late last year.
Comcast On Demand + Tivo DVR means that I have no use for another marginal product such as
TV.
Handbrake only outputs stereo 2.0, though it accepts 5.1 as an audio source.
The
Toslink is just an optical digital connector, it wasn't specially designed for 5.1 output and has been around for over 20 years, long before any digital video was available.
It's funny to see how people have already deicded that the tv lose's to the Comcast PPV + Tivo combo. As far as I know both products are not out yet
Also I don't think that Apple would have given this products the ability to play 720p widrescreen if they did not have plans to include such material in their ITMS.
Once the tv is released I think we'll find HD 5.1 material become available on the ITMS. (atleast in the US)
tv lose's to the Comcast PPV + Tivo combo. As far as I know both products are not out yet Also I don't think that Apple would have given this products the ability to play 720p widrescreen if they did not have plans to include such material in their ITMS.
Once the
tv is released I think we'll find HD 5.1 material become available on the ITMS. (atleast in the US)
Sorry I was just using Toslink as an example of Optical Digital.
ALL HD content has DD 5.1 surround sound.It's the standard.
This is mostly what I have seen listed throughout the forums extras that people want.
TV
Bigger Hard Drive
5.1 Surround Sound
TV Tuner Card
Movie Rentals - (iTunes)
More Studios - (iTunes)
1080p
iPhone
VoIP
Record Video
Larger Megapixel Camera - (camera would rotate to video conference or too view what you are recording.)
GPS
3G Network
Flash Card Expansion
Removable Battery
More Open About Portable Gaming
Anything else i missed?
The reason I believe they hold out on these features is not that they missed out an opportunity to take the lead or can't work out an agreement with other companies(Apple has more than enough money.). Apple has been know for their frequent hardware updates. But this applies to the computing world were updates happen many times a year. Media and mobile phones don't update as quickly.
Just look at how long CD's have been around(The 80's). DVD'S(Mid 90's). 5.1 Audio(Mid 90's). TV(720i as long as I've been around. I was born in 81.) We just now got Hi-Def Video's & TV's. Mobile phone networks have been either been CDMA or EDGE since I've had a mobile phone(Mid 90's). This type of hardware doesn't update as quickly as computer hardware due to cost(updating large number of cell towers) & acceptance by the consumer(I don't want to have to buy or convert the same video twice a year.) So Apple has to take a slower approach so to make it look like we are getting constant updates.
Apple has never truly been on the bleeding edge. They go with what has been tested and known to just work that is also in popular demand(motto "It Just Works."). That is also why the hardware is priced so high to begin with. As stated in an earlier post, when the price does come down we(the consumer) feel like we are getting a deal. When we are really buying a product at its face value.
So the reason for delay? Adding a last minute feature listed above or something completly different.
I'm not bashing Apple. This is a smart marketing.
- Scott
TVBigger Hard Drive
5.1 Surround Sound
TV Tuner Card
Movie Rentals - (iTunes)
More Studios - (iTunes)
1080p
iPhone
VoIP
Record Video
Larger Megapixel Camera - (camera would rotate to video conference or too view what you are recording.)
GPS
3G Network
Flash Card Expansion
Removable Battery
More Open About Portable Gaming
Anything else i missed?
The reason I believe they hold out on these features is not that they missed out an opportunity to take the lead or can't work out an agreement with other companies(Apple has more than enough money.). Apple has been know for their frequent hardware updates. But this applies to the computing world were updates happen many times a year. Media and mobile phones don't update as quickly.
Just look at how long CD's have been around(The 80's). DVD'S(Mid 90's). 5.1 Audio(Mid 90's). TV(720i as long as I've been around. I was born in 81.) We just now got Hi-Def Video's & TV's. Mobile phone networks have been either been CDMA or EDGE since I've had a mobile phone(Mid 90's). This type of hardware doesn't update as quickly as computer hardware due to cost(updating large number of cell towers) & acceptance by the consumer(I don't want to have to buy or convert the same video twice a year.) So Apple has to take a slower approach so to make it look like we are getting constant updates.
Apple has never truly been on the bleeding edge. They go with what has been tested and known to just work that is also in popular demand(motto "It Just Works."). That is also why the hardware is priced so high to begin with. As stated in an earlier post, when the price does come down we(the consumer) feel like we are getting a deal. When we are really buying a product at its face value.
So the reason for delay? Adding a last minute feature listed above or something completly different.
I'm not bashing Apple. This is a smart marketing.
- Scott
handbrake and 5.1
handbrake can either downsample 5.1 ac3 to 2ch aac or preserve the original 5.1 ac3 in the avi container (you can't mux ac3 into the .mp4 container). The toslink can only export "standard" audio formats to audio equipment, so we're either going to have 5.1 using ac3 in the avi container (itv won't play avi?) or 5.1 aac in .mp4 that can't be reporoduced by the audio equipment, or 2ch aac in .mp4. Only those three formats could fly. So if you want 5.1, itv either has to play avi or somehow has to reincode the audio from 5.1aac to 5.1ac3 (i've never heard of anything that can do that).
handbrake can either downsample 5.1 ac3 to 2ch aac or preserve the original 5.1 ac3 in the avi container (you can't mux ac3 into the .mp4 container). The toslink can only export "standard" audio formats to audio equipment, so we're either going to have 5.1 using ac3 in the avi container (itv won't play avi?) or 5.1 aac in .mp4 that can't be reporoduced by the audio equipment, or 2ch aac in .mp4. Only those three formats could fly. So if you want 5.1, itv either has to play avi or somehow has to reincode the audio from 5.1aac to 5.1ac3 (i've never heard of anything that can do that).
Who said there were kinks, bugs, revisions or other physical malfunctions/concerns? Maybe, just MAYBE there's been a lot of pre-orders and the delay is simply having more time to meet demand all at once.
Apple has different departments & divisions, all with their own personel. The iPhone people do their thing andI don't think this bodes well for other products (Leopard, updates to the mac line, etc). It's taking resources away from other stuff that they should focus on. I could not care less about
TV do their thing and the OS people do their thing. There are meetings/memos/emails to coordinate but personel resources aren't being removed from the other depts just because this new hardware needs a little more time.And money. Yeah. Apple's got that resource covered, too.
Comes in very handy at the moment your hardrive dies on you, for reason one, and specially with music, the quality of a itms track is like 15% of the quality of a original cd, thats why maybe ;-).
I honestly don't think that Apple cares about store bought media any more.
If anything,
Apple's not going to provide a simple solution for consumers to rip DVDs. Apple would rather have those consumers purchase the films directly through the iTunes store.
I am sure Apple want to promote the iTunes store, and that they will not provide a solution for ripping DVDs. My point was the fact that it is comparatively difficult to put your DVDs onto your computer may impact sales of
TV somewhat. I do not see this as an Apple problem, but a content provider problem. I feel the content providers, i,e, the film studios are behind the curve here. They are yet to successfully deal with this movement towards storing your DVDs on your computer, in fact in the large part they are yet to successfully deal with delivering content to your computer at all. If it was possible to rip a DVD, like a CD, into your media library, I am sure that there would be many more sales of TV. As has been mentioned many times in many TV threads, content through the iTunes store is a problem for everyone outside of the US.I think the idea of the
TV is good. I see it as a kind of iPod for the TV. I have a use for it myself, but I know how to rip my DVDs and will spend time doing it. Other members of my family would also use the device, I can picture my parents now flicking through the menu when there's nothing on TV. However, they will have absolutely nothing to watch through it as they, like the majority of casual computer users, do not know how to rip DVDs, and are not prepared to spend the time doing it. Also, like many of their generation, they are not particularly confident using on-line stores. They have however, put 100s of CDs into iTunes and my father uses the iPod I bought him.