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Seems few were concerned with the $499 price of the
RAZR when it was first introduced - fewer features [snip]........ Why then is
$500 too much to ask for a portable unix machine that
does all this and more?

few were concerned, and few bought it(<--- hint hint) at $499. so yes, it is too much to ask for.
 
Just for the record, I'm a recent switcher......

Frankly, I am shocked at all of the whining and complaining about a simple delay of less than 30 days. I preordered an :apple: TV and yeah....it would have been great if it were here this week but I'm certainly not 'gonna cancel my order.
 
Networking Apple TV

Daisy-chaining (what I think that you mean by "string together") is a 1394 concept.

In USB land, you connect hubs to turn one port into multiples. If you connect a hub to a hub, then you get multiples again.

So, the hardware can definitely support dozens of add-on USB drives.

Not enough is known about ITV to know if adding a drive even makes sense - it's a software and marketing lockout issue as to whether additional drives would be useful.

Another way to link hardware is through Ethernet and an Ethernet hub, in a similar way you would use a USB hub. The :apple:TV has a 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet port which could be networked with your computer and other devices which also do.
 
few were concerned, and few bought it(<--- hint hint) at $499. so yes, it is too much to ask for.
Consider this.....

Which is more profitable for Motorolla: selling 600,000 units @ $99 or 150,000 units @ $499?

No offense but price points are not necessarily about what *you* can or cannot afford.

Capesh?
 
Many bought it

few were concerned, and few bought it(<--- hint hint) at $499. so yes, it is too much to ask for.

Actually, the RAZR, as Patrick pointed out, started out at $800, or $500 with a service agreement, and was an instant hit the moment it was released in 2004. By July of 2005, Motorola reported that the RAZR was the most successful phone they've ever introduced. It wasn't until sales subsided in 2006 that Motorola considered lowering the price. To this day, a replacement phone through a carrier like T-Mobile costs $349, although it is initially offered free with a two year contract.

Historically this price strategy has been successful - A price point needs to start at a premium so that it can be lowered, enticing buyers who then believe that they're getting a discount. Call it manipulative, call it unethical, call it marketing...
 
I'm with those who believe the delay is linked to a delay in iTunes 7.1 (a security problem they want to patch first, maybe?) and a major change in iTMS (higher resolution, more titles, or both?). But Leopard is not yet ready for prime time, so that won't be it. Look for Mac Pros at the end of March, Leopard at the end of April, MBs, MBPs, Mac Minis and iMacs at the end of May, and the iPhone at the end of June.
 
I'm with those who believe the delay is linked to a delay in iTunes 7.1 (a security problem they want to patch first, maybe?) and a major change in iTMS (higher resolution, more titles, or both?). But Panther is not yet ready for prime time, so that won't be it. Look for Mac Pros and Mac Minis at the end of March, Panther at the end of April, MBs, MBPs and iMacs at the end of May, and the iPhone at the end of June.

Don't you mean Leopard???
 
Fix

ok...if :apple: TV's delay is just because of new version of iTunes,
then it might be (or must be?) because of fixing those nasty bugs on longho.....oops, Vista.

thought apple's site only say that it support .... Windows XP.... haha
http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html

If Apple were responsible for fixing bugs related to Vista, I imagine
the delay would be significantly more than 20 days........
 
Hmmm... Tuesday the 20th?

One thing I've seen no mention of is that March 20th is that magic Apple day of the week, Tuesday. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Apple have a long trackrecord of doing major product announcements on tuesdays?

Perhaps, just perhaps, there is more coming on the 20th than just appleTV and, of course iTunes 7.1? Now I'm intrigued

Sure would be nice of Steve to stuff a copy of 10.5 in there with the appleTV for the inconvenience. Not going to happen, but I'd take it none the less.
 
The Apple TV should be priced around $129..... as a simple upgrade to the Airport Express. For video, it's not a replacement for your DVDs because it won't stream a 5.1 signal. This is absoutely insane. As for being a music streamer... the visual interface makes a lot of sense and is cool.... it just needs to be much cheaper.
 
I don't think this bodes well for other products (Leopard, updates to the mac line, etc). It's taking resources away from other stuff that they should focus on. I could not care less about :apple: tv until I get a new Mac Pro.
Totally irrelevant IMO. The timetables will be reasonably unrelated - except for obvious things like new version of iTunes for Windows & Mac... then again, unless it does something significantly different (like stream DVDs) it would seem to be a minor change?!!

Why are people so stuck in the hard media paradigm? Instead of asking Apple to decide between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD I would rather see people asking them to make HD content available from iTunes. Making ? TV completely media dependent. In five years when the next leap is made in HD technology, the enduser will not have to add yet another player to their system, but instead just upload (if necessary) the proper patch to ?TV and then purchase the content from iTunes.
I am glad the AppleTV doesn't have Blu/HD-DVD built in, but I think that having DVD would have resulted in many people throwing out their DVD players...

How am i going to watch my eyeTV recorded tv shows? Why can't I stream the massive amounts of video I have on my hard drive? Why can't I have a remote that I won't lose and with more functionality. Why is it freakin $300?

Wow. You're asking questions... but do you actually want answers!
 
Streamer +

The Apple TV should be priced around $129..... as a simple upgrade to the Airport Express. For video, it's not a replacement for your DVDs because it won't stream a 5.1 signal. This is absoutely insane. As for being a music streamer... the visual interface makes a lot of sense and is cool.... it just needs to be much cheaper.

Yes, this is true. However, it also sports a 1Ghz processor, a decent graphics card (nVidia G72M with 64MB DDR2 VRAM), 256 MB DDR2 400 Mhz RAM, and a 40G hard drive. All this for $300 is pretty reasonable. Plus 720p is amazing resolution, superior to 1080i in many ways.
 
How am i going to watch my eyeTV recorded tv shows? Why can't I stream the massive amounts of video I have on my hard drive? Why can't I have a remote that I won't lose and with more functionality. Why is it freakin $300?

ur case is even better than me
ur eyeTV records could put inside iTunes by a single click for file conversion right?
I have much .rm files fm my friends, of which I still didn't figure out the way for easy conversion...
and...even..no iTunes store service for my country...
 
Yeah, don't panic guys, they're going to release everything together, appletv, leopard, ilfe etc and new macs...! buhhaaaahhaa!
 
Wow, they really waited until the last minute trying to get that thing shipped out, I guess some positions may be opening at Apple soon.

But as everyone seems to agree. I would rather wait 2 weeks and get a wonderful product vs. not being able to fully enjoy a buggy product.

Seems like a hard decision for Apple to make, but that would make it better for the end user....AKA us.
 
No thx. HD-DVD

(HD DVD is the format porn industries are taking)


According to a recent article I read (can't remember exactly where) the format chosen by the adult industry will not be a deciding factor in the HD-DVD/Blu-ray war. The reasoning, if I remember correctly, was that because of the innivative nature of the adult industry, most content is now delivered digitally, sales of adult movies on a physical disc are a tiny percentage of their on-line, digital sales. The author concluded that the consumer will ultimately have a player which can play both kinds of disc (I believe at least one has already been released) or the content providers will release dual format discs (as has already happened I believe - again) with Blu-ray on one side and HD-DVD on the other.


With regard to the :apple: TV, I believe the real handicap for it is the fact that content providers are not providing an easy solution for consumers to get their shop bought DVD or HD-DVD movies onto their computers. Reading through this thread, it is clear that many people just want a device which will allow their ripped DVDs to stream onto their TV. Something the :apple: TV will do easily. However, many, many people are not prepared to spend the time and effert to rip their DVD collection, and even more people (think of your parents maybe) do not even know how to rip DVDs, or that it is not as simple as ripping a CD into iTunes. As has been shown in many discussions about DRM and music, I think it's safe to say that most people still prefer to buy a physical disc, and that digital sales haven't had quite the impact that was expected, because of DRM. So whatever content is available via iTunes for :apple: TV, until content provider catch up and allow people to rip their DVDs to their computer, I think a large part of its potential market will not buy.
 
Why are people so stuck in the hard media paradigm? Instead of asking Apple to decide between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD I would rather see people asking them to make HD content available from iTunes.

And what about those DVD's people already own? "Well, you just re-buy them from iTunes".
 
I thought that there were warehouses already bulging with these things. Perhaps they are waiting for the Europ iTS movie rollout. God, let's hope so or they are going to sell about three of them in the UK, and those three people will be pissed when they find out that they can't buy anything but stupid music videos and Pixar shorts for their $300 box.
 
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