No, the number is pure fantasy crap. They need to make it look big in order to justify bigger action. At some point anti-theft will be costing more than any real “loss” - probably is already
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Apple TV+ Joins 'Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment' Anti-Piracy Coalition
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What people really want(ed): "a la carte" selection, easy to use, for a good price, available wherever they live, at the same time as in other regions/countries.
The big media conglomerations wanted a piece of the digital/on demand pie as well, which is only fair, but as each wall themselves in their own service, it's basically back to the old cable packages... just with streaming.
That the big music/media corps mostly take a too big cut for themselves and hand out "peanuts" the creators and artists is another topic.
The big media conglomerations wanted a piece of the digital/on demand pie as well, which is only fair, but as each wall themselves in their own service, it's basically back to the old cable packages... just with streaming.
That the big music/media corps mostly take a too big cut for themselves and hand out "peanuts" the creators and artists is another topic.
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For piracy to stop I think two things need to happen.
1. Lower the cost of digital movies and TV shows.
Sopranos box set is currently £80 on iTunes. £80!. Its completely ridiculous. It's cheaper to buy the physical discs which have production costs, shipping costs and will one day end up in landfill. For something that is just sat on a server waiting to be downloaded the cost should be 1/3 of physical media. The same goes for movies. I have a load of movies in iTunes but ive never paid £14 for a single one as its too expensive. Most 4k HDR blu rays can be picked up now for £10 so why pay more for something with no production and shipping costs etc.
You then also have the fact you're paying more for something you can't lend to a friend of even give your kids one day etc.
2. Make everything available in every country.
So much stuff is limited to certain countries and the only way to watch things is to find them illegally. Look at Doom Patrol. I was dying to watch that then discovered there was no way to watch it in the UK when it first started in the US. By time it arrived here they hype had gone and I still haven't watched it.
Many movies have different digital/blu ray release dates by a good few weeks. If something reaches the UK 3 weeks before the US then you're pretty much asking people to go and find it elsewhere.
1. Lower the cost of digital movies and TV shows.
Sopranos box set is currently £80 on iTunes. £80!. Its completely ridiculous. It's cheaper to buy the physical discs which have production costs, shipping costs and will one day end up in landfill. For something that is just sat on a server waiting to be downloaded the cost should be 1/3 of physical media. The same goes for movies. I have a load of movies in iTunes but ive never paid £14 for a single one as its too expensive. Most 4k HDR blu rays can be picked up now for £10 so why pay more for something with no production and shipping costs etc.
You then also have the fact you're paying more for something you can't lend to a friend of even give your kids one day etc.
2. Make everything available in every country.
So much stuff is limited to certain countries and the only way to watch things is to find them illegally. Look at Doom Patrol. I was dying to watch that then discovered there was no way to watch it in the UK when it first started in the US. By time it arrived here they hype had gone and I still haven't watched it.
Many movies have different digital/blu ray release dates by a good few weeks. If something reaches the UK 3 weeks before the US then you're pretty much asking people to go and find it elsewhere.
It actually is your right to do just that, provided you’re able to get it. That’s the entire point of digital piracy.
Copyright was originally intended to last a maximum of 28 years. Today, it is essentially permanent with modern works likely never to enter the public domain.
This whole issue has nothing to do with right and wrong. It’s a simple matter of power and the ability to enforce copyright law.
1. free market. If you don’t like the price, don’t buy.
2. not possible. The tv/movie content distribution rights have been in effect for decades. You are effectively asking XYZ company to void the rights to distribute X content in X region. Rights they paid a lot of money for just to satisfy people who believe they have a right to consume it their way. Prepare for lengthy legal actions if any country tries to steamroll a new distribution model that voids legal contracts.
BTW the reason Apple, Netflix, Prime and others created their own distribution is that they can offer it to everyone around the world at the same time.
sideshowuniqueuser
macrumors 68040
Piracy was never killed, reduced maybe, but far from killed! But yeah, I see a resurgence as the subscription game has gotten out of hand.
Amazon will not let me sign up to prime. Just doesn’t work. It used to work and I cancelled it. Then the grand tour season 2 started so I wanted to start it up again. Nope. Will not let me. Raised a request through support and they couldn’t help.
So I found a channel on YouTube that uploaded the grand tour.
So I found a channel on YouTube that uploaded the grand tour.
sideshowuniqueuser
macrumors 68040
sideshowuniqueuser
macrumors 68040
"people's salaries are growing slower than inflation" - yep, and the world's billionaires increased their wealth on average by 25% since covid started. Guess who owns the lion's share of stocks in all these streaming services... yep, the billionaires. They are crying about piracy because it's stopping them adding a few more millions to their piles of wealth.
BeefCake 15
macrumors 68020
It's so cheap and simple, if you like a show just find out whether HBO, Starz, Hulu, Disney+, AppleTV+, Amazon Prime.....is playing it.
Keep creating new independent streaming platforms, I’m sure everyone will be happy to pay 5 subscriptions just to watch your stuff.
Not to mention, there’s still no Disney+ where I live, so even if I want to pay, I can’t 🏴☠️
Not to mention, there’s still no Disney+ where I live, so even if I want to pay, I can’t 🏴☠️
aaronhead14
macrumors 65816
The first step towards no piracy is to kill DRM forever.
DRM only punishes honest customers by causing frustration, all while incentivizing pirates to keep up their work.
DRM only punishes honest customers by causing frustration, all while incentivizing pirates to keep up their work.
Exactly! Right now I am subscribed to TV because the TV Internet bundle is cheaper than the Internet and 3 different streaming services I would need.
Piracy is theft, no doubt about it. And it doesn't harm billionaire owners of media conglomerates it harms rank and file people working in the industries. Keep that in mind. But, as others have pointed out, you'll never get rid of piracy you can only minimize it. And there are ways to do so, but it seems the owners and distributors of the content would rather try to get the most money out of those willing to pay for it, rather than compromise and disincentivize piracy.
Number one, and I think someone already said this in the thread, but it is cheaper to subscribe to cable than all the different streaming services. Netflix worked because you could get a bit of everything for a relatively reasonable price. It's not reasonable to have to subscribe to a different service for each hit show. Solution:let people buy access to your network's shows individually. Not everything has to be a subscription based "service". Unfortunately I don't see this going away anytime soon unless it is legislated away, or a disruptor comes in and changes the model; bean counters are too enamoured with it. There's a good chance a car you "buy" in the next 10 years will charge you a fee monthly or yearly to use features that it has, like heated seats or fog lamps, etc.
Number two, why don't they consider a spotify like model? Have a free tier of access that allows people to watch the content with ads, reduced quality, limited number of views for free or a "premium" paid access that eliminates that.
Number three, old TV and movies could be a goldmine as nostalgia sells, especially as the world progressively goes to hell. But old series and old movies are ridiculously priced. No reason to do so, and I firmly believe distributors are leaving money on the table by pricing them such so high. Most people will spend $20 without batting an eye. $70 or more seems expensive to most people. Its like the old app store model of $0.99 cent apps and songs: you'll make the money in volume of sales.
Number one, and I think someone already said this in the thread, but it is cheaper to subscribe to cable than all the different streaming services. Netflix worked because you could get a bit of everything for a relatively reasonable price. It's not reasonable to have to subscribe to a different service for each hit show. Solution:let people buy access to your network's shows individually. Not everything has to be a subscription based "service". Unfortunately I don't see this going away anytime soon unless it is legislated away, or a disruptor comes in and changes the model; bean counters are too enamoured with it. There's a good chance a car you "buy" in the next 10 years will charge you a fee monthly or yearly to use features that it has, like heated seats or fog lamps, etc.
Number two, why don't they consider a spotify like model? Have a free tier of access that allows people to watch the content with ads, reduced quality, limited number of views for free or a "premium" paid access that eliminates that.
Number three, old TV and movies could be a goldmine as nostalgia sells, especially as the world progressively goes to hell. But old series and old movies are ridiculously priced. No reason to do so, and I firmly believe distributors are leaving money on the table by pricing them such so high. Most people will spend $20 without batting an eye. $70 or more seems expensive to most people. Its like the old app store model of $0.99 cent apps and songs: you'll make the money in volume of sales.
They say:
“The goal is to disrupt the piracy ecosystem that harms creators”
so what I read is that they are doing this for the creators.
Then I read:
“with streaming piracy representing 80 percent of all piracy today, costing companies as much as $71 billion annually.”
ahh but if it was all for the creators, why don’t they state what it cost them in lost revenue?
“The goal is to disrupt the piracy ecosystem that harms creators”
so what I read is that they are doing this for the creators.
Then I read:
“with streaming piracy representing 80 percent of all piracy today, costing companies as much as $71 billion annually.”
ahh but if it was all for the creators, why don’t they state what it cost them in lost revenue?
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djlythium
macrumors 65816
When you add up how much money these companies avoid paying in taxes every year $71 billion is a rounding error.
If being ”that guy” means being the guy who pays for his stuff and doesn’t expect it to be given to him for whatever arbitrary price he decides. Then I guess I am that guy.
20 years ago the excuse was that people couldn’t find content anywhere and studios made it too hard to get their content.
Now the excuse is that people can’t get everything they could possibly want for $14.99/month.
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Kabeyun
macrumors 68040
So a “coherent streaming presence” is an effective counter to streaming piracy? Good to know. Thanks for clearing that up.
Darajavahus
macrumors regular
They are not losing money, who can afford they pay, who can't afford find a free way or don't watch, I'm on disability, I'm barely hanging from month to month, these shows kinda keep me alive, the only thing to look up to, I have such miserable life, there is like one or two shows on each different streaming platform or channel that I like, if I couldn't watch them for free I wouldn't, at best I would get only Netflix and split the payment with couple people if I lived in USA, but I tried netflix in my country and nothing was there, so I would need to pay for VPN on top of that. Why they pretend like people that pirate are rich people? Is not it obvious that it's the poorest?
And I also like to speed up the shows, increase contrast, gamma (because so much of the old shows have no dynamic range and are so dark hard to see anything) and saturation a lot (why so many shows have such dull color grading, I'm already so depressed, these make m even moe depressed, some I could not even watch if I couldn't increase saturation, in most shows 50% in is enough in IINA, but some I go even 100%) also I add sharpening, a lot of sharpening on old content, no of this options available on streaming websites.
And I also like to speed up the shows, increase contrast, gamma (because so much of the old shows have no dynamic range and are so dark hard to see anything) and saturation a lot (why so many shows have such dull color grading, I'm already so depressed, these make m even moe depressed, some I could not even watch if I couldn't increase saturation, in most shows 50% in is enough in IINA, but some I go even 100%) also I add sharpening, a lot of sharpening on old content, no of this options available on streaming websites.
Kabeyun
macrumors 68040
If they don’t want us to pirate then don’t make us subscribe to five different subscriptions