Apple TV+ Joins 'Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment' Anti-Piracy Coalition

[netdoc66]

The cost for each of these services are ridiculous when most of users are subscribing for maybe 1-3 shows max. A price point of $2-$5 makes sense for a monthly subscription for these network platforms. Netflix’s at $12 is Ok, their content offering is substantial $7 for platforms like Peacock is ridiculous. I’m gonna stick with Plex, this coming from a guy that pays for Hulu, Prime, Netflix and TV+. WTF am I doing???

 

[0924487]

And this is a non sequitur. You as consumers don’t care? So go to mcdonalds and demand a whopper and see how far it gets you. You can complain all you want but their is no regime that will ever happen, or that will ever make any sense, where content creators will be forced to share their content with whoever wants to aggregate it, at whatever rate that aggregator wants to pay for it, just so you, the consumer, don’t have to be bothered with subscribing to more than one service.

Yes. There can be many streaming services but they must all have the same content. All creators and aggregators must share all IP and all content and make them available on all platforms. How they divvy it up is just between them presumably based on actual views.

 

[CarlJ]

So yeah, of course they're pirating. Instead of giving CBS $10 a month, they're just downloading Picard and instead of giving AppleTV $5, they're going to download See and For all Mankind and ...

You know that you don’t have to subscribe forever, right? You don’t have to pay CBS $10 every month ($120/yr), you can just wait until an entire season of Picard is out and then pay $10 to subscribe for a month, spend the month watching it, and the shut CBS back off until it becomes interesting to you again. Same with the other services, if I’m not mistaken.

 

[topdrawer]

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If you’ve been around for 40-50 years home video is massively cheaper than it used to be. Not only because of unlimited streaming of titles but also cost per title.

Inflation adjusted a VHS movie bought in the 80s is almost $200 in today’s money.

The big difference in piracy today compared to back then is that torrent sites are generally in the hands of anarchist cartels and organized crime who make money from the ad revenue. They make more money than many movie studios and production companies do and the money they earn sometimes goes into extreme movements and corrupting politics.

I would forget about lawyers and just send John Wick to deal with it.

if that was true, movie studios could distribute their content on torrent sites with ads and make more money than they do now.

 

[Johnny907]

It's almost charming how Apple seemingly thinks piracy is the reason subscriptions are so low. As someone who routinely watches such metrics, the only streaming service with lower download counts on new and exclusive content is Quibi. The largest by far was "Greyhound," far outpacing a distant "The Morning Show."
Viewers aren't watching your shows because they aren't interested, Apple, not because they don't want to pay for it.

 

[ArmCortexA8]

I really wish this site would stop using the loaded / commercial term "piracy" as it's inaccurate... We need to stop using the corrupt industry terms such as "piracy" as this is a commercial term to imply guilt and used for psychological purposes and does not apply to Common Law citizens in public or at home and only applies at sea. The word "pirate" comes from the Latin term purateivitia ("sailor, corsair, sea robber") and is an act of robbery or criminal violence and since this ties into commercial activities (Law of the Sea) and only applies to actual tangible goods and goods actually owned by someone else directly (not their agents / distributors / etc) in a commercial environment at sea (aka commerce). Copying is not illegal, and not theft despite the b.s. from the "industry".

Since no profit / commercial transaction occurs via copying, and no actual robbery or criminal violence occurs in these "piracy" events, then the term "piracy" is invalid / void and only the term "copying" should be used as nautical terms do not apply on land or Common Law citizens. In summary: They are trying to use Admiralty Law terms (nautical) in Admiralty Law Courts to get people, and this is completely unlawful. Multiple streaming sites should be outlawed and one should have all and all should be released world-wide the same date. This is a cartel and cartels are illegal, and all forms of DRM should be made illegal as well.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

Well I am not sure that is the point. Lets look at one example I have. I like Star Trek, I want to watch the new shows. Here in the US I have to subscribe to CBS. Ok, all well in good. In the rest of the world, you can watch it on Netflix. The same show, no extra subscription service, just Netflix. It is that kinda crap that makes me angry as a consumer and it is, to me, bad faith by content owners.
I am willing to pay to get the shows I like and want to watch, I am not willing to get shafted because CBS wants yet another streaming service.

Exactly, see "I'm gonna pirate because I can't get everything I want for $14.99/month" above.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

30 dollars for a crappy, badly acted, badly edited propaganda movie which was shot near modern day concentration camps.... (not to get too political but these are facts, the movie is plagued by that pride and hate) in a subscription service (so you only get to see it if you subscribe) ... or $30 a few weeks further in iTunes...

Disney and Apple need a good push in the back of the knee, a good humbling. (Apple for other reasons...)

Oh also add $20 to rent new releases... You should be able to just purchase them at that price and studios and Apple should be happy. Hell, in a perfect world they would give a percentage of that profit to struggling theaters, to keep them afloat...

Don't worry, when COVID is over you can go spend $30 to watch it with your date in a theater.

Sorry you can't get everything you want for the price of your netflix subscription.

 

[topdrawer]

Exactly, see "I'm gonna pirate because I can't get everything I want for $14.99/month" above.

no one is asking you to pirate.

 

[gaximus]

What? Did you pirate before you had a real job? Did you pirate as a poor student? As a kid? Want to watch something but parents won’t buy it for you?

Yes, I downloaded tons of music because I was poor student and was in the mind set of "who am I really hurting". I was young and stupid, Also I never pirated movies, back then it would have taken weeks to download a movie at a horrible quality. Then I joined the military, still couldn't afford crap, but legal purchased all the music I had previously downloaded. I wasn't lucky enough to have parents to buy me everything like some did.

 

[jweinraub]

Who is charging an arm and a leg for things? There is more content today than ever before. It's easily accessible, and it's never been cheaper.

It's an arm and leg when you add it all up. There are too many choices. I still have cable, Amazon Prime, and Netflix. I rather watch Hulu content with a buddy (guess not now), so when you add it all up it is an arm and a leg. There is too much exclusive content on each provider and I am not buying a single service just to watch a single show. So I can see the allure of why people want to pirate.

 

[Spungoflex]

stealing is not free market. its just stealing because you think you are entitled to someone else's property.

Copyright infringement isn't stealing. You can even argue that the concept of copyright itself is in violation of free market principles.

 

[kingtj]

Copyright infringement isn't stealing. You can even argue that the concept of copyright itself is in violation of free market principles.

Yeah... It's funny how this same old debate rears its head again and again, every time it's some different form of digital content that's the popular thing to sell in large quantities.

The reality hasn't changed a bit though. Stealing is the act of taking a physical/tangible good without permission -- thereby depriving its rightful owner of possession of it.

Piracy is nothing more than a silly, glorified name (referencing high seas theft and boarding of ships) that simply means someone duplicated some content without paying someone else the fee they expected to receive for each copy.

Realistically, "piracy" can never really be stopped. Eventually, the computer gaming industry largely sidestepped the whole issue by making most really big game titles multiplayer/online ones that do you no good to own a copy of -- since you need a valid subscription or login to actually play them.

I think whether it's music or video/movie content though? Piracy is really a non-issue because people paying for it are paying for the convenience. They want access to everything on their favorite device(s) as part of subscriptions and will pay monthly fees for that illusion they "own the whole collection of content". In the past, when the only real option was buying physical media with a copy of the content on it to play it back? Piracy might have cost publishers a little bit more... but even then, wasn't really significant because you'd never really have those people with the illegal copies paying regular prices for most of it. They owned pirate copies of the stuff because doing so cost them very little. But if they HAD to pay for all of that? They clearly would just go without it instead.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

It's an arm and leg when you add it all up. There are too many choices. I still have cable, Amazon Prime, and Netflix. I rather watch Hulu content with a buddy (guess not now), so when you add it all up it is an arm and a leg. There is too much exclusive content on each provider and I am not buying a single service just to watch a single show. So I can see the allure of why people want to pirate.

Lol. “There are too many choices”

Isn’t the lack of choice what pirates were whining about before?

No reason to subscribe to every service for 12 months a year. That is just wasteful and unnecessary.

 

[McScooby]

Irrespective of the reality, if Apple thinks it’s losing cash to piracy they’ll make a stance. Anyone who thinks otherwise is misguided.

 

[Tech198]

Apple's not loosing cash, they have heaps of money offshore.... They just wanna get in on the action like everyone else of "everyone is doing the right thing, so we'll target those who do the wrong thing" regardless how much you make.

If people stopped making movies, there would be a link to piracy..but that's not gonna happen to the big businesses.

 

[Shadowcatz]

Exactly, see "I'm gonna pirate because I can't get everything I want for $14.99/month" above.

i didn't say that made pirating correct, but you can not deny that is a pretty anti consumer move on the part of the studios. there is ZERO reason that said content could not be on Netflix everywhere including the US, besides greed.