Finally someone who also is not impressed by the watch. I played with it a few weeks in an Apple Store. Feels limited, very sluggish/slow UI. Don't see the added value.
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Apple TV Needs tons of work. Feels very beta
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Finally someone who also is not impressed by the watch. I played with it a few weeks in an Apple Store. Feels limited, very sluggish/slow UI. Don't see the added value.
Read what I said. You claimed that this was because Cook is more concerned about money than good products. Well buggy products don't increase sales or make people more likely to buy again so Cook clearly isn't releasing so-called buggy products for financial reasons. And no I don't need to read the forums. I know the forums posts are going to be disproportionately from people who have problems. I own an iPad Air 2 and and iPhone 6s. I have no problems with either device. I don't go writing about it in the forums. In fact I don't visit either of those forums very often. Same with the Watch. I wear mine every day, it certainly isn't useless to me.
I can read but i dismiss you post as twiddle...
Cook's responsibility is to the share holders, if you think any different you are certifiable.
FACT is apple products are now more buggy than previously as demonstrated by the mess that is iOS9 and OS X - are they being "released" to generate sales that way? No, but they are being released in a way the creates obsolesces which DOES generate sales. The crappy code is simply laziness as lack of QA/testing on behalf of the vendor.
Cook's responsibility is to the share holders, if you think any different you are certifiable.
FACT is apple products are now more buggy than previously as demonstrated by the mess that is iOS9 and OS X - are they being "released" to generate sales that way? No, but they are being released in a way the creates obsolesces which DOES generate sales. The crappy code is simply laziness as lack of QA/testing on behalf of the vendor.
Yeah that's pretty much how I feel. My iPhone works perfectly and fits my needs. My iPad Air 2, works perfectly and fits my needs. Apple Watch, same again.
And the Apple TV. Well, am I disappointed that there are certain things not available at launch, yes. Am I surprised, not in the least. But I'm not complaining either, because the Apple TV does everything they claim it does on their website and that's the only thing I've based my expectations on for its release. I know it'll get better down the line.
I feel exactly the opposite from your experience. iOS 9, especially in the current version 9.1, is very stable and very usable on my iPhones. OS X El Capitan actually improved the performance so much on my old iMac that it's usable again. iOS 8 and Yosemite were much worse.
iOS 9 is so much better than iOS 8. it's Apple's services side that's falling down for me and that's all on Eddy Cue. I personally think Cook should hire an SVP to oversee iCloud, Siri and Maps and let Eddy focus on iTunes/AppStore, Apple Music, TV and Pay. Eddy clearly has too much on his plate.
I've come to the conclusion I'm not not playing apples game anymore.
ATV4 is just not ready yet. Rather than bitch about what it does or doesn't do or how it works I'm going to return it until it has the things i want... The 5 ATV 3s i have work fine, i cant find a reason to keep it.
ATV4 is just not ready yet. Rather than bitch about what it does or doesn't do or how it works I'm going to return it until it has the things i want... The 5 ATV 3s i have work fine, i cant find a reason to keep it.
I'm curious as to why you bought it in the first place then? Apples product pages were very clear about the capabilities and features of the Apple TV 4.
You are wrong. Siri supports all the apps Apple said it would. iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, HBO and showtime. I just asked to play homeland and iTunes and showtime came up in the results. iTunes has 4 seasons while showtime has 5.
All which I'm sure will be fixed by a software update before the year has ended.
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No it quoted headline stuff.
I expected better apps and old stuff to still work.. right now the ATV4 does NOTHING i cant do on the ATV3s. Siri is half arsed in that it only works with iTunes stuff and not home share. So given i have existing devices i see no reason to not get the £169 back.
I'm not saying that if you're unhappy you shouldn't send it back, that's entirely your prerogative.
But if you go to the Apple website and read through everything they are advertising for the Apple TV 4, it does every single one of them.
That there is not a better selection of apps is to be expected, it's been available to users for what, 4 days. Did you expect 1,000,000 apps when developers have had access to it for only a few months and most didn't even get their hands on one until 4 days ago, slightly unrealistic to expect a wealth of content under the circumstances, but the apps will come.
You can't expect a new device to do everything an old one does, particularly if it's not advertised to do so. I've mentioned somewhere before, but, when the Playstation 4 and Xbox One launched they didn't have any DLNA capabilities even though their predecessors did. You can't connect any Bluetooth headset that you like to the Playstation 4, even though you could with the Playstation 3. My new printer, while only being ever so slightly changed from last years model doesn't use the same ink cartridges as the one it replaces. The Samsung Galaxy S6 doesn't let you use SD cards or change the battery, it's predecessor did. I could go on, but you get the point, old hardware doesn't necessarily carry over to new hardware.
Siri was never advertised to be compatible with HomeShare, in fact the only two services specifically mentioned on the Apple website are iTunes and Netflix.
You've every right to be unhappy with your purchase, but to claim it doesn't do what it's supposed to is completely inaccurate. The real problem is it doesn't do what you wanted it to do, even if it was never supposed to.
Really? This is exactly what consumers expect when a new generation of a device comes out unless otherwise stated. And rightfully so.
What it says right now on the web page is: "Siri automatically searches across popular services like iTunes, Netflix, and more, so you don’t have to dig through each app individually." What does an average consumer expect when they see "and more", in your opinion? And who wouldn't expect "iTunes" to include downloaded iTunes content?
Also, regarding accurate advertising, I currently see this image on the "games and more" section, showing top charts and categories that don't actually exist in the product:
Honest answer, i just "expected" (without context) more. it just feels unfinished.
Im still "hopeful" things will improve soon, but in the mean time i might as well stay with the 5 ATV3s and get the cash back.
I actually hope they are just trying to save you from yourself!
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I agree that it feels unfinished, but I was expecting it to feel that way.
Personally, I am pretty happy with a lot of the new features. Searching with Siri on HBO and Netflix is great, the ability to ask Siri sports and weather questions, the integration of Apple Music (much better for videos than their implementation on the iPad), the new apps including games (Asphalt 8 is a great example), the quicker processor, the ability to use Bluetooth headphones, and the tons of potential as developers get their hands on it.
I am more disappointed by the inability to use the Remote app and the lack of the Podcast app, but I can make due without them. I may have to see if I can get my video Podcasts via Youtube instead and just deal with having to type in long passwords using the remote, on occasion.
Maybe you do, I as a consumer only expect a product to do what it's outlined to do. Incidentally as far as unless otherwise stated goes, the fact that things aren't listed in the specifications or features, is otherwise stating it.
To expect a product to do what an older generation does based on absolutely no fact is beyond ludicrous and reeks of an entitlement mentality. No-one has any right whatsoever to expect a product to have a feature just because they want it. It either will or it won't, that's why I research my purchases before I make them, so I can make an informed decision.
And yes, it does say iTunes, Netflix and more. Last I checked though more isn't how you spell HomeShare. I will say though that someone should be getting a good hard slap for that "and more" line being in there just now, what with the delay of Now TV which could have at least qualified the statement. But that said, see my next point.
I also see this text on the website, just while we're throwing around accurate advertising claims.
- Some applications are not available in all areas. Application availability is subject to change.
Yeah, I'm a little disappointed too, but not completely surprised it is Apple after all.
I've no doubt things will improve and I don't think it'll take too long for it to start happening either.
If you're getting no benefit at all from the new box then, yeah, like I said before it's your choice if you want to take it back. At least you still have your other ones and if and when things improve with the ATV 4, you can always buy back in again.
So, according to you it would be unrealistic to expect, say, Homesharing to work at all anymore, since it isn't mentioned in Apple's ads or specifications?
I'm speechless.
Yeah, I'm sure there is also some small print somewhere that absolves Apple of any responsibility for false claims in their advertising.
My apologies. I think it supports the paid-for Showtime, not Showtime Anytime (the one used for existing subscribers). That would definitely explain this issue.
HomeSharing is a feature of iTunes on OS X, the Computers app on Apple TV is just that, an app, not a baked in feature of the hardware or operating system. If Apple choose to continue making it for the Apple TV, great. If they ever decide to stop making it (and the direction they are headed in, where more and more reliance is being placed on streaming content as opposed to locally storing it, there's a better than average chance that they will stop making it one day.) I'm sure we'll find alternative options.
You should be, if hardware had to continually support the features of a previous generation, we'd all still have 5 1/4" disk drives on our computers.
There probably will be something along those lines somewhere, it's designed to protect a company when unforeseen problems arise and they have to chance their plans. Strangely enough, every company who advertises has such a thing. Ever heard of E&OE.
You keep moving the goal posts. This is not about hardware, but about product features. Was it unrealistic to expect the remote app or Bluetooth keyboards to still work because they weren't specifically mentioned in the advertising? Was it unrealistic to expect continued Podcast playback capability like in the previous models? I would argue these are completely reasonable expectations that have nothing whatsoever to do with an "entitlement mentality".
Not at all, I think it's entirely reasonable to hope for such features, but your statement was,
Really? This is exactly what consumers expect when a new generation of a device comes out unless otherwise stated. And rightfully so.
That statement very much does suggest an entitlement mentality. That consumers expect a feature that's not announced and rightfully so. That's the bit I disagree with, the rightfully so bit. It's not rightfully so at all. One can only expect that which is a given fact, not something based upon any pre-existing occurrence. If that were the case, I'd still be getting as much nookie as I did before I got married
As for the issues at hand, Bluetooth keyboards, well that's anyone's guess at the moment, it's an odd thing to leave out but I hope it makes a comeback.
The remote app however is long overdue a facelift and for all we know that's what could be happening. Likewise with the podcasts app, with Apple still pushing podcasts I don't see them dropping it. I think there will be one included as part of an update, or on the AppStore.
Just because something doesn't exist doesn't mean it's not going to. It's not unusual for Apple to do this sort of thing. They may have had years to work on all of this stuff. But development can be a nightmare, wrought with so many unforeseen circumstances it's unbelievable.
Even Apple isn't immune to that, but one thing they are normally good at is delivering a good product...... Eventually. It's been 4 days, all I'm saying is it'll take a little longer for the Apple TV to reach its full potential. That's part and parcel with being an early adopter.
Neither does Netflix. All of the apps are very disappointing, especially with regards to their layout and design - it's all just a massive wall of videos on a black background, with some (rather small, hard to read) headings. In Netflix, the header is just ridiculously large and will make your massive 60"+ HDTV feel cramped.
Flickr is another particularly poor App. I suspect it uses a built-in photo gallery view controller, but you can't see details about any individual pictures (only their creators with a horribly unintuitive long-press) and it doesn't even bother to preload the next picture as you're browsing through - this isn't a mobile device, and if you're flicking through photos you probably don't care if they load one more than is strictly, absolutely necessary. Even on a limited connection you're not going to count each individual photo you browsed through and moan that it loaded another one for the sake of smooth browsing.
YouTube is a total joke.
Anyway, those are third-party apps. The developers (no matter how big these companies are and how many developers they can throw at it) have only had the SDK for a short time. I'm disappointed with the day-one state of the AppleTV, and really hope it gets some traction so these Apps get significantly improved.
The AppleTV itself is not that solid, either. Apple doesn't have any excuses - they've had all the time in the world to work on this.
Siri is just totally broken for me. Even the example questions such as "how tall is LeBron James?" and "Did Liverpool win?" come back with "I don't know how tall LeBron James is" and so on. Not only that, but I use a UK AppleID for iTunes purchases but my Netflix account is from Germany (which is where I am), so Siri gives me totally wrong information about what is available on Netflix or not. I have my music on the device via iTunes Match, but Siri doesn't seem able to play anything from there (couldn't find any Bob Marley? Look again, Siri).
I've had wildly inconsistent experiences downloading the additional content bundles for Asphalt 8. The initial package was taking hours on my 100Mbit connection. Sometimes levels take a few seconds, sometimes half an hour or more.
Oh, I've had quite a few crashes, too. I was just watching something on Netflix, paused it for a few minutes and the device crashed and went back to the home screen.
I've found there's quite a bit of lag with the controller. Playing Crossy Road, I definitely felt there was a delay between when I pressed and when the character started moving (when pressing the touchpad down, so not related to sensitivity setting).
The controller itself is quite difficult when navigating around menus. The worst are those modal 'Do Something'/Cancel screens. The focus swings so wildly between the two options I almost always hit 'Cancel' by mistake. I've become really cautious whenever one of those pops up now, and I had to be very careful and deliberate with my motions; even then it isn't easy. Oh, and yes, I've set sensitivity to 'slow'.
Photos doesn't work with iCloud Photo Library. I have my entire photo library stored on Apple's servers and the only things my AppleTV's Photos app can show me are some stupid DubSmash videos somebody shared via iCloud (probably by mistake) a long time ago...
The Music app itself is a bit of a joke. It's just a big long list; seriously? Does Apple want us to all get RSIs swiping our way down those things? Also, the 'Artists' view will sort by 'Album artist' but group by 'Artist', so that list isn't even in alphabetical order! You can't really identify where any artist is going to be; it's a nightmare!
Yeah, not much to say. I'll forgive the crashes due to it being a 1.0, but not the Mad Hatter's Music App or lack of iCloud Photo Library. Apple said their Siri API wasn't quite ready yet, which makes me hope that Siri's Netflix access uses some temporary workaround solution and I'll be able to connect it to the correct region once it becomes something any service can plug in to.
But not all the Showtime apps. Just the one you have to subscribe to through Apple. The regular showtime app that you can access if you're paying through your cable provider doesn't have siri access.