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sounds like growing pain of a new business, not really untypical, utterly as usual as it's Apple, it's been blown out of proportion

I think it's as much a culture clash as growing pains. Apple's culture and Hollywood's re very different, with norms, power structures, egos, and ways of doing business that are not easily reconciled.

That's the Apple culture. Secretive. They have to get used to it. That's how we like Apple.

I think part of the problem is Apple, in the tech world, is an 800 pound gorilla that can pretty much dictate what to do. Hollywood, OTOH, is likely glad to take Apple's money and then wants them to sit back, ****, and let them run the show.
 
Expand your vision and experience life. No matter how great or how depressing your travel locations, experience where you are. Watching AppleTV+...good Lord...
Sometimes you’re only in a city for one night and you’ve been in meetings and on the go all day and you have a couple
of hours before going to bed and getting on the plane the next morning while eating take out or hotel food. There’s nothing to experience when you are at the airport hotel at 9PM and a you have a flight the next morning at 8:00AM. Watching AppleTV+ is perfectly acceptable.

Maybe you need to get out more and expand your vision and experience life since you don’t seem to have empathy for someone who has a different life than yours.
 
Come on, nobody is avoiding buying the next iPhone just because tv+ sucks. Apple performs well despite of Eddy Cue, not because of Eddy Cue.

It sounds like you have inside Apple knowledge about Eddy cue. Please share.
 
Where are the usual Macrumors commentators today? AppleTV+ was suppose to beat Netflix and Disney+ and will even outclass HBO. It is the best ever. And Disney+ wont last 12 months.
We actually watch Apple TV+ more than the other services and we have most, Disney, Amazon, Netflix, Showtime, Paramount+ and HBO Max. We are actually debating if we should even keep Disney. We already own all the Star Wars and most Disney movies and really don’t want watch the other stuff the have one there. I may not be into majority but I wonder how many think the same.
 
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Sometimes you’re only in a city for one night and you’ve been in meetings and on the go all day and you have a couple
of hours before going to bed and getting on the plane the next morning while eating take out or hotel food. There’s nothing to experience when you are at the airport hotel at 9PM and a you have a flight the next morning at 8:00AM. Watching AppleTV+ is perfectly acceptable.

Maybe you need to get out more and expand your vision and experience life since you don’t seem to have empathy for someone who has a different life than yours.
Thanks for the advice.
 
Sounds like growing pains that a smart company like Apple will adapt and learn from. Film and television production is organized chaos, nothing like what Apple is used to managing. But they’ll figure it out. A few years from now you’ll see stories on how Apple TV+ is a dream to work with and everyone wants in.
Participated in a Zoom discussion with author Walter Mosley last night. He said it was a dream working with AppleTV+. So much so that he hopes to have a series based on his Easy Rawlins mysteries very soon.
 
This is what happens when you try to be too many things. Go back to making great devices that "just work".
I came here to say the very same thing.

At some point, diversification becomes die-worse-ification. The bigger the corporation, the slower it moves, the less attention to detail, and the further from focus ANY product or service gets. Throw in the concept of “more money by doing less”, such as selling subscription “services”, and you get companies that practically forget they’re in business to make or provide anything (behaving as though they’re in business to sell contracts, where costs for customer service, product development, and infrastructure become “avoidable expenses” hampering increased profits).

It isn’t just Apple. It’s any (maybe eventually every surviving) corporation, because of the “perpetual growth” pathology of Wall Street, and other unsustainable laissez-faire capitalism ideologies.

But Apple do seem to have added cultural problems like “not invented here”, “reinvention of the wheel” and deep misplaced arrogance.
 
Isn’t Disney with the anti LGBT stance? Maybe not..
No, they're pro LGBT but hypocritical about the whole thing. That's however a discussion for a thread in the long since banned PRSI forum, so I'll say no more about it.
 
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Unpopular opinion it seems, but TV+ is way better than most of the crap that Amazon, Paramount and especially Netflix have been spewing out. Their shows, especially recently, have been top notch. I have no idea if there's any truth to this article but even if there is, as a consumer, I haven't noticed anything.
 
I don't get the Tim Cook hate. What has he ruined?

He's a supply chain guy and his legacy is scaling and up and squeezing out profit. And every product that has survived Steve Jobs is the best it has been. That happened under Tim.

Steve Jobs was good at executing and pushing forward his vision. Don't think that he invented the smart phone, the tablet, or basically anything else people attribute to him inventing. He saw someone else create it and then executed it better than they could have imagined possible. He did this ruthlessly while treating his employees like ****, allegedly.

Cook doesn't seem to be able to have that vision. But, he's taken those items and steered the ship to make them the best they've ever been and delivered record profits. He's been well compensated, but a lot of it has been based on performance. Nobody can say he hasn't performed.

RE: Apple TV+

TV/streaming is extremely difficult to do. Companies that have been doing it for decades continue to ebb and flow... one year they're at the top and the next they're struggling to be middling. Even the companies being lauded, such as Netflix, aren't exactly as good as people think they are. To a degree it's just name recognition. For every great show Netflix has, there's 10 that are crap. Netflix is the king of 6.0 IMDB ratings. I will say, that the one thing they've managed to succeed at is to make worldwide hits. It is an achievement to have a show from Korea do well world wide. Or a show from Spain. Or a show from England. And to have that show feel local at the same time.

As for the other streaming services, they're largely in a similar boat. Amazon Prime isn't all hits. Neither is Disney, or any of the others.

My point is, give Apple some slack. It's an extremely hard business. Harder I think than making electronic widgets.

I will say, that the management issues should be inexcusable, and that includes payroll issues, marketing, etc.
 
Hasn’t Apple invested like billions into content deals? This is way more than even some of these studios make in a couple years. Then again, Apple wants always be control of the end to end experience. As long as Apple has that clout of over a billion devices, those complaints are going nowhere.
 
Where are the usual Macrumors commentators today? AppleTV+ was suppose to beat Netflix and Disney+ and will even outclass HBO. It is the best ever. And Disney+ wont last 12 months.
Can only speak for myself and wife, but we watch Apple TV shows as much as we watch shows on Netflix or Prime. We rarely watch Disney.
 
We actually watch Apple TV+ more than the other services and we have most, Disney, Amazon, Netflix, Showtime, Paramount+ and HBO Max. We are actually debating if we should even keep Disney. We already own all the Star Wars and most Disney movies and really don’t want watch the other stuff the have one there. I may not be into majority but I wonder how many think the same.
Ummmmm no. I do actually like multiple shows on Applet TV +. I am talking about 5-8? and the price is good for that amount.

But if the price went up to say $10 I would dump it and turn it on and off when a new season of what we watch came out. Example I actually like the show SEE so I would turn it on near the end of the current season and binge it.

I watch way more content on Netflix, Paramount, HBO, Showtime etc.
 
This is what happens when you try to be too many things. Go back to making great devices that "just work".
Ha, I said the exact same thing in another post and a bunch of people gave it a thumbs down… I’m assuming they’re Apple shareholders and/or apologists.

Apple could use the billions they’re spending on not-so-great-content to give us a lot more iCloud storage for the same price, or hire more QC engineers, or build the next iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, etc…. Things that will surprise and delight the masses. Instead, we get a monitor that requires a $400 hinge to make it height adjustable.
 
Wow, such whining. Sounds like normal growth issues. ATV+ is pretty great for the price IMO. YMMV I guess. Holy ...
 
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We have 1 Gb fiber and no issues streaming on other providers, but AppleTV+ periodically buffers multiple times on an Apple TV 4K, even after restarting. I was wondering if the mention of infrastructure is related to this, but perhaps I am the only one?
You're having a problem with an Apple product and you write about it in here. Of course you're the only one.
 
I don’t have Apple TV but if Apple wants diversification, maybe some new shows with gibs? Would certainly gain more viewers. I certainly would opt in for a month or 2 to check out.

BTW, I move spiders outside when they are in my house and have 3 potted annuals from last summers dig living and will be replanted outside soon, weather permitting.
 
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There's loads of choice on the market. Simply choose a brand that meets your needs/requirements. It's not that hard!

There is no brand that meets all my needs (or wants). Not even close. For mobile devices I choose Apple as the lesser evil, as Android+Google is basically the only other option.
 
As a result, details of new projects are tightly controlled and kept secret until the last minute, and content partners get little to no information on how their projects are performing with subscribers.
If true, this is so Apple doing Apple.

Anyway, I don't see the problem in here. AAPL shareholders are happy, Apple will continue to sell zillions of phones, computers, services and whatever.
Apple enthusiasts will enjoy whatever Apple TV+ show will be streamed
As long as there is competition and the bar goes up, I'm fine.
 
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