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So they made a Wii. 10 years later. Congrats, guys.

Yeah.... I remember my Wii from 10 years ago.

1st thing I did was set up my preferences for my door locks, garage door, surveillance system, lighting, AC, and heat... then I just "talked to it" to set up appointments & reminders, search the net, etc. Then I started buying new on demand movies & playing games that were 99 cents apiece!

Wait.
No. I'm crazy.
 
I doubt they'll add a standard from 1969 to it. Maybe a Centronics port?
I install commercial AV systems and RS232 is still the control standard for commercial grade or high end AV equipment. It lets the peace of equipment have two way communications with commercial and high end home systems. With RS232 the Apple TV could send back information such as what is currently playing to the users control panel. This control panel could also have buttons to go right to certain menus in the Apple TV. When I say "high end" I mean people who spend $250K+ on these systems.
 
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You got the lack of 4K content correct but you are very wrong about the lack of 4K TV's on the market. Go to Best Buy and you'll see at LEAST 40% of their inventory are 4K sets. Now I'm a Plasma guy so I wouldn't be buying those awful 4K LCD sets but there's no denying that TV manufacturers are making them massively. And while 4K content is in fact very minimal, camera manufacturers such as Sony and GoPro have 4K cameras that are selling very well and consumers want to make 4K home movies to archive and watch on their new 4K TV's.
Yeah, I guess the TVs are out. Manufacturers need to sell them like they are special. And I'm sure the markup on them is much higher than on 1080p TVs.

I'm curious if 4K creates a better TV experience. I enjoy watching stuff on my 720p Projector. My 50" 1080p TV is also nice, but I can't say that shows are better on that versus the projector. Of course the picture is much bigger on the projector. But still do I need to see so much detail that I'm going to realize that the sets are fake on my Sci-Fi TV shows?

I think I just want a good, solid picture and a fast streaming experience. If 4K means having to deal with more buffering and more drops in my streaming experience, I think I'm going to stream 1080p. Again, for my main viewing room I'm still working off of a 6 year old 720p projector. So 4K is useless for me and even 1080p gets down graded. But 720p is better quality than DVDs and we've all enjoyed many DVDs. At some point this resolution really isn't going to improve the experience.
 
Sure. Duh.
Of course someone would buy a 4K tv IF they were getting a new one. Because tvs last 10+ years.
Wtf does that have to do with the FACT that there is a huge current lack of content & no real delivery systems??
Certainly people are not getting rid of perfectly good 1080 systems to clamor to this en masse.

If Apple rolls out a 4K-capable :apple:TV, THEY could be the "real delivery system".

And in providing such a system, THEY could entice those who own content that could easily be made available as 4K. Note that this can't possibly occur until somebody makes some hardware for the masses that can play 4K. Why not Apple?

If Apple embraces 4K, it doesn't force anyone to "get rid of perfectly good 1080 systems" anymore than when Apple adopted 1080p in :apple:TV didn't force anyone go get rid of perfectly good 720p systems. All that happens is that those otherwise happy with 1080p HDTVs will have a piece of hardware in their mix capable of more. Those who clung to their 720p HDTVs after Apple went 1080p could keep right on watching 720p; the :apple:TV could even downscale 1080p content to 720p and display 720p as good as it could be displayed.

Basically, it's this simple: make a 4K :apple:TV and it can potentially feed the desires of those who want a 4K :apple:TV while also continuing to deliver 1080p, 720p and even SD video as good as the current :apple:TV can display video shot at <4K. BUT, roll out another 1080p :apple:TV and the "4K or bust" crowd won't be as moved to buy one. One option can make everyone want one; the other option screens out a chunk of buyers who want what they want.

On a personal level, whether it's 4K or 1080p, you are completely unaffected. It will feed your 1080p HD system 1080p even if this new box would be capable of >1080p... just as those who made the same arguments against 1080p when Apple clung to a 720p max found after Apple embraced 1080p.
 
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Yeah.... I remember my Wii from 10 years ago.

1st thing I did was set up my preferences for my door locks, garage door, surveillance system, lighting, AC, and heat... then I just "talked to it" to set up appointments & reminders, search the net, etc. Then I started buying new on demand movies & playing games that were 99 cents apiece!

Wait.
No. I'm crazy.

This article is about using the remote as a motion controlled gaming controller. But nice try.
 
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I think that the remote is optional.
New iPod, iPad or iPhone all can operate as those remotes,
stand alone remote can be also purchased.
 
Never gonna happen.....but my dream scenario would be a new Apple TV that has an opening for Nintendo 3ds cartridges and a new collaboration deal with Nintendo is announced at the same time.

Nintendo just released a slightly upgraded 3ds that really wasn't necessary from my point of view and its new NX console is supposed to be cartridge based and not be on the level of power equal to Xbox and ps4.

Long shot of course, but it would be awesome!
 
While I was annoyed at this being delayed at the WWDC, I can get behind Apple taking the time to do it right and have it polished rather than rushing it out full of bugs and deficiencies.

Still kind of annoying though - for having so much cash they sure don't seem interested in having any extra engineers on hand to get things done in a timely manner.

Only so many people can work on one thing, great things take time
 
Very weird - in the last 6 months at least, every single person I know of has bought a 4K TV when replacing their current HD one - 40" 4K 3D TVs are less than £500 now. Why would anyone *not* buy one when getting a new one? Maybe it's different in the US?

This is why they say "anecdote is not the singular of data". Your group of friends likely is not a good statistical representation of the consumer population as a whole.

That said, 4k TVs carry a substantial premium when comparing sets of comparable build and processing quality. Yes there are "cheap" 4k TVs, but they are one and a half times to twice the price of comparable-quality "cheap" sets. For instance, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...lack/3733004.p?id=1219597974182&skuId=3733004 (43" 4K Vizio low-end model, $550 on sale, next week back to $600) vs http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-e...lack/3417048.p?id=1219581289762&skuId=3417048 (43" 1080p Vizio low-end model, $380) and if you are going low-end you also have less mainstream manufacturers like http://www.bestbuy.com/site/westing...lack/9660157.p?id=1219705740805&skuId=9660157 (43" 1080p Westinghouse low-end model, $280). Going from Best Buy to warehouse clubs like Sams or Costco and the price differential is even wider because the low-end 1080p name-brand sets are super cheap. On the higher-quality end, the price differential between a high-end 4K and a high-end 1080p set is almost always 2x still.

Take into account that the 4k standards are still just barely stabilizing - a set bought today may well not work with the 4k service you use five years from now - and that there are more game-changing advances on the cusp that will be in play in the next couple of years - HDR and high framerate processing - and that extra cost isn't necessarily "worth it" even in the "long run".

That all having been said, there is a remarkable paucity of actual data. Looking up 4k adoption statistics and I see a lot of assertions from manufacturers at CES 2014 and even a few exec statements saying it will be "huge" as late as last August (1 year ago), but very little analyst interest since 2013. While lack of analyst interest isn't an iron-clad indicator of lack of consumer interest, it isn't good news. When the TV industry holds a party and the paid shills don't even show up, it's not good news. If you ask me, consumers have grown a bit weary of the constant parade of "next big things" when it comes to TVs. HDTV was great. Then 3D. Then "environmental lighting". Then curved. Then 4k/UltraHD/etc. Bust after bust.

Now, that said, predicting the future is much more difficult than diagnosing the present. I think 4k will take off, at least in the ultra-large displays. 4k makes a lot of sense if you take a room setup which was comfortable with a 1080p 50" screen, leave the seating where it is, and just hang an 80" screen in its place. Assuming you had been able to see the difference between 1080p and 720p at the distance you were sitting, making the screen that much larger you'll start seeing pixelation at 1080p. Then, the "4k" experience isn't so much "so much more detail" but rather "so much more enveloping" (because it fills your field of view instead of sitting at center). Alongside this, as with all technologies, eventually it becomes cheaper to manufacture, both because more people are buying them and because the underlying tech becomes cheaper over time.

IMHO, the question is if 4k becomes more important faster or if HDR usurps it in the parade of next-big-things (then 4k HDR comes along afterwards). Personally I'm a much bigger fan of the latter, although the standards there need a lot more work than the 4k standards.

Okay, on to the AppleTV. If the box is in the $100-200 range, I think that you have a different "future proof" expectation than if it is $200+. If it is sub-$100, it is in the "disposable" realm; so long as it supports what I have right now, I can get a new one when I get a new TV (and by then maybe it will support the new TV's features). In the 100-200 range I'm looking at what I'm likely to do with a TV in the next two years and wanting it to support that. For me, that's still not 4k support, but 4k would be a positive selling point at least. Above $200 and it needs to support the high end of the TV market because that's what I'd expect to be buying if I buy a new set in the next five years. Yeah, those price ranges seem a little compressed - a difference of 2x takes me from not really caring about future-proofing to really wanting something that can last - but consumer psychology is often irrational.
 
I'm going to start off with a quote from Steve Jobs famous speech, "Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life." Now maybe we can connect the dots from here back a few years. You have a product, the iPhone, thats 8 years old and still selling strong. Question, How do you keep it selling just as strong or even stronger? You have the iPad which todays technology has not meet up with the potential of this idea, the only solution is evolution for now. The Apple TV was a hobby but as you look at these kind of figures for iOS, Active apps: 1,446,975, Active games: 411,466, Monthly submitted apps 36,237, Monthly submitted games 13,520. Every time four apps are submitted one of those are a game. Apple has always aimed to make products that we don't even know we need until we need them and what happens if there is a untapped market, like a gaming console that offers games for pennies on the dollar to whats being charged now. What about the iPhone as the remote, force touch and haptic feedback, sounds like one to me. The 4.7 and 5.5 inch screens are an amazing opportunity for developers, custom controllers with special upgrades to them or maybe even just develop controllers and sell those. The Apple Watch for activating Siri or use with gestures. So back to my question, How do you keep the iPhone selling just as strong or even stronger then the present? You let it evolve but you also give it a new identity, phone, email, web browser, camera, messages, calendar, etc., were the old ones! Now there is a wallet that's protected by my finger print. Soon my state ID, passport and bus pass. A gaming platform with a console that cost a fourth the price of a regular one, 64 bit processor, state of the art controller, that we never misplace because its in our pockets, if that is not a game changer I don't know what is. Lets imagine being in our living room we turn on our TV just by walking in the room, it just awakens, not a full turn on noise pollution but a simple waiting to see what we are going to do. We sit down your phone taps you and you pull it out of your pocket. Its your remote with a question on the screen, Would you like to watch TV? Now fast forward awhile and some friends come over to hangout again your phone taps you with a question saying, would you like to play a game. Yes you would, so your friends phones get tapped and they all accept a challenge to play and of course get beat with your upgraded custom controller. I think it will happen, what do you think?
 
I believe that was what Jobs meant about cracking TV.
Its really a center of all home entertainment and management, its built in game center, communication center and so on. Thats why it got to have mike as well.
 
Very weird - in the last 6 months at least, every single person I know of has bought a 4K TV when replacing their current HD one - 40" 4K 3D TVs are less than £500 now. Why would anyone *not* buy one when getting a new one? Maybe it's different in the US?

Yeah, as other folks above said, in the U.S. 40" is something closer to a computer monitor. Nobody would buy that for their main TV. So you have to look at the price for a 55" 4K and then compare that to a 1080p version.
 
The article is mostly about gaming with a couple of other token general references thrown in.


Yeah.... Just like Wii from 10 years ago.

1st thing I did was set up my preferences for my door locks, garage door, surveillance system, lighting, AC, and heat... then I just "talked to it" to set up appointments & reminders, search the net, etc. Then I started buying new on demand movies & playing games that were 99 cents apiece!

Wait.
No. I'm crazy, too.
 
If we judge based on their latest atempt to revolutionize a market with the Apple Watch, I think you'll be dissapointed.
Not sure what metrics or details you're basing your assumptions on but I currently own an Apple Watch. Previously, I had owned a Moto 360 and an LG G Watch paired with a Moto X (2014) and after making the switch, comparing what Android Wear watches and Apple Watch can do, it's clear that the Apple Watch HAS revolutionized the smartwatch market. It just hasn't had as big an impact on the world as the iPhone or a smartphone has today because the smartwatch market is still in its infancy. So, no. I think I will be impressed with this new Apple TV after owning and using all of the living room offerings available today that I mentioned in my previous post.
 
Yeah.... Just like Wii from 10 years ago.

1st thing I did was set up my preferences for my door locks, garage door, surveillance system, lighting, AC, and heat... then I just "talked to it" to set up appointments & reminders, search the net, etc. Then I started buying new on demand movies & playing games that were 99 cents apiece!

Wait.
No. I'm crazy, too.


No. Just a simpleton.
 
iOS 9 is a beta OS, as are the apps that ship with it. Bugs are expected.

I use the beta's all the time since IOS 7, got the say apple music is the worst i ever had. But hey i love those betas, just saying that apple music doesn't work like it should be, way to complex.
 
I'm wondering if i will be able to use my Headphones with my Apple TV, this is something I've wanted for a while.

I hadn't considered this possibility before your comment, but being able to use bluetooth headphones as a speaker output is intriguing; I currently use my Denon CEOL stereo over AirPlay as the output. Even one step further the per person gaming headset and keyboards also come to mind. When you start thinking of the Apple TV as a very powerful app platform in more of a desktop sense you realize they may very well be building the first desktop-class ARM-based computer. For the first time, the Apple TV rather than being a stripped down iPhone, might be the most powerful iOS device on the market.
 
I hope they keep compatibility with old versions of iTunes for Home Sharing (and re-instate the music aspect the same in iOS 9). I have an old PPC iBook with a 2TB Hard drive connected via USB that has been great at serving my 1080p movies, music and TV Shows with iTunes 10.6.3 around the house. That thing hasn't been off in 2 years and only costs me £13 a year in electricity ($20 USD).
 
Better hold your breath then.

The current price point of the Apple TV is 99$, The MFi controllers are 60-80$
A PS4 is 450$, and PS4 controlers are 75$
A PS TV is 50$ which is basically a Vita in a Apple TV sized box. Controller sold separately.

Like a reasonable expectation is something better than a PS2, but not quite a PS3 otherwise it's going to be priced more than a PS3.
A8X in AIr 2 is on par with PS3 in terms of processing power, so it isn't that crazy to think Apple could use it in :apple:TV.
 
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