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Or not. Maybe the other streamers didn't think much of the shows, and that's why they didn't bid more for them? Apple decided these shows were big enough to launch their new platform with, which looks like an enormous error of judgement given the universal critical disdain.



Is that what we expect from Apple? Low-quality content propped up by fat budgets? No. That's not what Apple is about. It's not just "a couple of preliminary reviews" - there are lots of outlets reporting the same things. Nobody seems to think any of these shows are any good.

And while it is true that Apple have lots of cash, that doesn't mean they can afford to throw any amount of money at any problem. That would be utterly stupid management. These new business units need to show that they deliver value to investors - through their direct profits (production and infrastructure costs vs. subscription revenue) or by enticing more users to enter or stay in Apple's ecosystem. So far, it doesn't look like they're off to a good start, and that's worrying for the entire project.
We don't have enough information to know if it's bad and a failure, yet. If it is, they have plenty of money to fix it....which is what you need in content.

I don't think these reviews confirm or deny anything. Tons of products they've released have gotten "tepid" initial reviews, including iPhones, Watch, AirPods, etc.
 
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I never read reviews and I don’t know why I bothered to read some of those. I think it’s because I highly anticipated Apple TVs new shows,especially “See” and the upcoming “ Time Bandits “.

I usually make up my own mind and I’m going to do it again this time.
 
I kind of disagree with that analysis, though its completely subjective. I tried to watch The Sopranos a few times and couldn't get past the first two or three episodes. After a couple years, I binged the series in no time once I got into the story. Sometimes, shows start off slow to introduce you to the characters, then takes off. Its hard to explain, but I'd rather a show start slow and get better than to start strong and devolve, like Lost or Dexter.

I think it really depends on the show itself. I am all for slow picking series ( I mean, I love "Twin Peaks the Return" and it's a VERY slow show), but the premise has to make sense. GOT starts slow, picks up very well in S2, and then kinda deflates at the end. However, you can see since S1E1 that the series is going to be slowly built.
 
One thing we should also remember....

critics and audiences sometimes differ in opinions of shows. There are numerous critically acclaimed shows that audiences just did not watch and thus got cancelled.
There are shows fans loved but critics panned. And there are shows like OITNB that, if shown on network tv schedule, would’ve failed. There are a lot of factors on whether a show succeeds or fails.

The real test of failure or success is how the audience react to it.
 
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With only 3 episodes available to critics I think I’ll ignore the reviews and make up my own mind. Roll on Friday!
What do you need? An entire season? If 3 hours of screentime does not get your attention, just remember that this is almost 2 full lenght movies. If the show get at least 7.0 on IMDB, it may be worth may precious free time. I wont be a laboratory rat for testing shows. That whats the professional reviewers and critics are paid for. At the end, a bad show would accomuluate milions of views counts just from the curiosity of the people, sending a wrong message to Apple that their show may be worth something, which apprently is not, even as free content.
 
And Tim said, “You know, maybe we should get some people working on HomeKit again.”
 
What do you need? An entire season? If 3 hours of screentime does not get your attention, just remember that this is almost 2 full lenght movies. If the show get at least 7.0 on IMDB, it may be worth may precious free time. I wont be a laboratory rat for testing shows. That whats the professional reviewers and critics are paid for. At the end, a bad show would accomuluate milions of views counts just from the curiosity of the people, sending a wrong message to Apple that their show may be worth something, which apprently is not, even as free content.

I could not agree more with this statement. With so many options, why waste hours of your time to "get into a show"? If it doesn't grab my attention in the first episode, I will probably move on to something else. Plus, these are weekly releases. The pilot has to be a winner.
 
A lot of the criticisms are fairly typical for new TV shows. It's not that unusual for the writers and actors to need time to get the feel for the material. I think the issue with streaming shows is that the number of episodes is so truncated vs. traditional TV that any misfires for direction/tone get exaggerated.
 
I'm not one to take what critics say seriously about shows. Thus, I'll form my own opinion come Friday.
 
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One thing we should also remember....

critics and audiences sometimes differ in opinions of shows. There are numerous critically acclaimed shows that audiences just did not watch and thus got cancelled.
There are shows fans loved but critics panned. And there are shows like OITNB that, if shown on network tv schedule, would’ve failed. There are a lot of factors on whether a show succeeds or fails.

The real test of failure or success is how the audience react to it.
Ok, do you have any example of a TV show where the vast majority of the critics agreed that it is meh but the general public endorsed as great? I can recall any. The opposite situation may happen in very rare circumstance where the first 2-3 episodes are great and then the show goes downhill big time. Highly unlikely scenario for a show with such a high profile and budget.
 
I didn't read all of the reviews, I scanned through a lot of them. They were not positive.

That's not really the point.

Did you read the article I linked? Sums up the current state of Apple quite nicely and demonstrates the lack of focus they are exhibiting in 2019.

For all mankind looks hella interesting, esp. with the reviews.
 
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Please note that Variety and the Hollywood Reporter can’t stand Apple and haven’t for years. So I wouldn’t pay attention to the reviews. Every episode of “For all mankind” already leaked online and I’m currently so invested in it.
 
Early reviews
Morning show
- Too bland, drama feels forced
See - Not enough going on
Dickinson - Too revisionist, not funny
For all Mankind- Interesting but slow, packed with gender politics

not really surprising. I’ve watched every trailer looking for something that feels marginally compelling, getting little more than “meh” for me.

Also kind of weird that so many of their flagship shows have such a strong political slant. Does that bring in viewership?


Basically the shows reflect Tim Cook's own political views and agenda.
 
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If a show doesn't grab me in the first 2 episodes, then I bail. There's so much to watch now that I can't devote any more time than that. I think most people are that way these days.

It's the same reason why I couldn't stand HBO's "Westworld." People told me it gets better around episode 6… I've got to devote 6 hours on a show to find out if it gets better? Um, then that means it's not good.
I'm largely in the same boat. I can tell in the first episode if I'm going to like or not. Occasionally, a second episode re-direction can change my mind. And sometimes I'll even give it a third. But by then you know if it's going to be something that's worth your time, at least for the rest for the immediate future.

That's not to say that a show can't turn itself around even in that first season (Succession is a recent example of a show really needing to get to midseason before figuring itself out), but even in those cases, it's easy to double back to a show if necessary.
 
Please note that Variety and the Hollywood Reporter can’t stand Apple and haven’t for years. So I wouldn’t pay attention to the reviews. Every episode of “For all mankind” already leaked online and I’m currently so invested in it.

I might not be the biggest fan of Dan Feinberg, but I do like Tim Goodman, and I don't think either of them would let a company bias factor into their review of a television show.
 
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Apple will learn their lesson the hard way. If you want great content, you need nudity, violance, profanity. There is not a single top show in the last decade that did not had plently of these. Apple looks for neutral, politically correct content because they think that a show can damage their brand which is absurd. It is like thinking that Discovery channel are nazis because they have a documentary on Hitler or that HBO tolerate violance just because a woman is raped in one of their shows.

maybe read the reviews. This comment is a roflcopter. You totally missed the boat here. Apple has plenty of violence, profanity, and sex in their new shows per reviews.
 
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