Apple Unveils macOS 'Sierra' With New Continuity Features, Window Tabs, Apple Watch Login, Siri, and More

[oldmacs]

That's where I think you're wrong though - hustle a decent price price on the gear when you first buy it, add value to it when you come to sell it second hand and it really costs very little a year to own the latest technology. It costs me less each year to keep all my products on the latest version that most of my friends spend on drinking alcohol (a lot lot LOT less!)

What if you like to hang onto hardware? I would prefer to do the environmentally friendly thing and not produce all that waste from having a new machine but for me constantly.

I'd prefer to pay $1200 every 8 or so years and have a machine I can hang onto. Constantly upgrading and selling does not make financial sense for a lot of people, then theres issues with apple not making the device you want one year (Eg no new 4 inch phone between 2014 and 2016).

I just looked... say if I had purchased a 2014 Macbook Air in 2014, and I now wanted a 2017 one (256GB 13 inches) I could sell my old one for $900, but a new one costs $1700.... assuming that followed a cycle, $800 every 2 years over 8 years which is just too much for a lot of people.

 

[macjoshua]

This amounts to a very minor update. Very disappointing! The Apple tax is really not worth it anymore. Unless they wow me with the new Macbook Pro (whenever that comes out), I'll be considering other options for my next laptop.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Xcode 8
APFS
Metal v2

These are very important updates, and are pointing to a new kind of Mac HW: APFS supports hardware encrypting, so we might see a new co-processor in future Macs. Metal is supporting DX12 HW.

We just have to wait to October.... or more... APFS deadline is 2017. :-(

 

[old-mac-man]

https://developer.apple.com/library....html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40014221-CH14-SW1

Start digging... it's there.

SM 6.0, full tessellation support with HSLS Shading Language based on Clang and LLVM.

Thanks, don't understand a word, but it looks good news if anyone is actually going to use it.

 

[pondosinatra]

Siri and transferring old files to the cloud? Sorry, but not getting overly excited here. Unless something else more fundamental emerges I think I'll keep my iMac running Mavericks.

 

[steve333]

HFS Plus



Think of HFS Plus as inadequate. The retrofitting mentioned by Apple, https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from:donjbrady HFS&src=typd and so on.

Optimised storage (not to be confused with APFS)



Please look again at https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/23006968 – the three lines that I quoted.

Discussion focused on APFS

Introducing Apple File System – I'll continue there.

I see that, however I don't think those files should appear at all. There is a download and 2 things appear on the desktop, the installer and the dmg file. I think there must be a way to automate it so the dmg doesn't appear at all. It's confusing to newbies and people not good with computers. When I tell people Macs are easier to use and they see things like this it just isn't very mac like, IMO

You are either a troll or just very ignorant of the real world. Tons of people use iCloud including people who do "actual computing", whatever you think that means. Why would Apple want to "see you files"? It doesn't make any sense. iCloud is a feature of great benefit to most people.
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I suppose it would be as simple as you going "you can trash those". Seriously, how much hand-holding do you want?

This isn't for me, this is for people new to the Mac or just not good with computers. For us it's simple but you have to realize that a lot of people are afraid of technology and the Mac used to be so simple anyone could use it.
I just think the MacOS (I refuse to use a lower case m) should be simplified like it used to be. JMHO

This is just one area where I think it should be simplified. Finder preferences, general preferences, things like that should be easier to find. Who is going to know to right click on the desktop to get to some preferences for instance? Just simplify the whole experience. Apple had gotten away from that and I think they should focus on making the Mac experience simple and intuitive again

 

[LordVic]

It still doesn't make much sense as in every aspect, the Macbook Pro mid 2009 is way better than the Macbook late 2009. Any spec you look at, you can always see that.

I've noticed when Apple cancels support for a device, it's usually not because it won't be able to perform well enough, but because it had some sort of hardware setup that Apple doesn't want to bother supporting / updating anymore. So they'll just stop working on it and claim the next version is incompatible.

Last time they did that, was 32 bit EFI bioses. it was either Mountain Lion or Yosemite that Apple just decided that they would no longer support 32bit EFI's. even though the hardware performance was more than adequate, and the CPU's were 64bit. Apple just, stopped supporting it, and therefore anyone running one of these machines with the 32bit EFI would receive no further OSX updates.

this could be something very similar. there could be some hardware configuration in the MacBook Pro 2009 that they've just opted not to support any more.

 

[MH01]

I'm keen to see how well the Apple Watch login works.

 

[jimbobb24]

There were a few good features in the next macOS. Maps could do with more walking functionality, and cycling would be a good addition. Tabs that will be available to all applications is a nice addition.

Apple only presented 4 new features- I hope they aren't the highlights, otherwise this version of macOS is going to be dull.

Every year after the initial presentation people hope every time they will mention new features that were held back. They never do. There are no doubt developer changes but based on past years this is it.

 

[macsba]

Well, I installed Sierra on a hard drive for my Late 2008 MacBook Pro by using a Mac Pro that's supported by Sierra. Installation went fine and tested the Sierra HD on the Mac Pro. Everything worked okay. I swapped out the hard drives (actually SSDs) in my Late 2008 MacBook Pro and proceeded to boot up the MBP. It didn't work. I got the No Entry sign.

I suspect something in the boot sequence prevented my MBP from booting. It seems like it's not an installation issue.

Just wanted you guys to know.

 

[grahamperrin]

Developer testing and discussions

Has anybody downloaded the developer preview of Sierra?

…10.12 is in the developer channel … Public Beta testers will have to wait …

Open (visible) to the public now: Space: macOS 10.12 | Apple Developer Forums – and I expect those discussions to remain open until 10.12 is released.

Appearance of attached disk images

… automate it so the dmg doesn't appear …

That's probably possible.

Google chooses a relatively discreet approach, I notice it thanks to HardwareGrowler.

 

[dannys1]

What if you like to hang onto hardware? I would prefer to do the environmentally friendly thing and not produce all that waste from having a new machine but for me constantly.

I'd prefer to pay $1200 every 8 or so years and have a machine I can hang onto. Constantly upgrading and selling does not make financial sense for a lot of people, then theres issues with apple not making the device you want one year (Eg no new 4 inch phone between 2014 and 2016).

I just looked... say if I had purchased a 2014 Macbook Air in 2014, and I now wanted a 2017 one (256GB 13 inches) I could sell my old one for $900, but a new one costs $1700.... assuming that followed a cycle, $800 every 2 years over 8 years which is just too much for a lot of people.

Well it costs me more like £200 a year, in fact, thats nonsense I probably make a profit by the time I count how much income tax it saves me to buy a new computer and get write down on it. As I said, its a lot less than people spend on beer a year which I don't drink so.

 

[Janichsan]

https://developer.apple.com/library....html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40014221-CH14-SW1

Start digging... it's there.

SM 6.0, full tessellation support with HLSL Shading Language based on Clang and LLVM. Apple calls former Metal shading language version 1.2

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that does not mean Metal is "quite on par with DirectX 12". It has caught up a little bit, but it still features only a subset of DirectX 11's capabilities.

 

[jimbobb24]

What is so horrible about an SSD boot drive and spinning mass storage?

Maybe they cannot make them thin enough. That's driving everything.
[doublepost=1465936247][/doublepost]This is literally crap. My brother ditched Apple because it just was not doing anything special for him. The only thing I use anymore is iPhoto and I am waiting to see if Photos can be fixed not to suck and replace iPhoto but if not - hey there is nothing holding me anymore. My iPhone is great but the Mac is losing the magic. I am sad I will have to look for a new photo program after all those keywords made in iPhoto. Gag!

 

[grahamperrin]

Sorry …

if you give a slice of a device to Core Storage, you can not later decrease what's given.

I forgot something. If (say) FileVault 2 is enabled before Boot Camp is used, then can Boot Camp Assistant reduce the size of the Core Storage physical volume to make space for a partition for Windows?

 

[Zaqfalcon]

So Photos is still a bunch of arse then?

 

[allanfries]

It is to encourage you to buy one.

Would never buy one. I am using an app called Near Lock on my iphone/MBp, that does the same thing. Eat that, apple.

 

[Janichsan]

So Photos is still a bunch of arse then?

Yes.

 

[oldmacs]

Well it costs me more like £200 a year, in fact, thats nonsense I probably make a profit by the time I count how much income tax it saves me to buy a new computer and get write down on it. As I said, its a lot less than people spend on beer a year which I don't drink so.

And that amount is still too much every year to pay for many and is not in my interests of being an environmentally friendly customer.

 

[paulsdenton]

The more I look at the changes to macOS in Sierra, the more I think they are improvements I will actually use and which will very much improve the experience on my Macs. I'm a little surprised at the negativity in this forum, especially considering that these upgrades are all FREE. It's nice to see some attention being paid to the Mac!

I am actually amazed at those posters who say they will go back to Windows. Every time I sign onto Windows at work I am astonished at how antiquated, unstable and quirky it is. I went to Apple for my own platform in 2009 after getting "NTLDR is missing" constantly-how can the basic operating element of the OS go missing so often? I haven't had that particular error in a long time when using Windows, but also I have NEVER had ANY OS problems when using OS X. Not even once.

If I'm a "fanboy" it's because the Mac system is so reliable and useful. Easier to use also. Windows still feels so 1990s.

 

[dannys1]

And that amount is still too much every year to pay for many and is not in my interests of being an environmentally friendly customer.

£200 a year is too much on technology as a massive technology fan? Hell I used to spend more than that on records every month!

Your environmental point is moot and ridiculous. But you know, you do what you want, your username is "oldmacs" after all, whatever makes you happy dude.

 

[oldmacs]

£200 a year is too much on technology as a massive technology fan? Hell I used to spend more than that on records every month!

Your environmental point is moot and ridiculous. But you know, you do what you want, your username is "oldmacs" after all, whatever makes you happy dude.

It is a lot of money and not of us have much money.

The environmental point is not moot or ridiculous. For most Macs (Especially the laptops) the majority of the C02 output is a result of the production of the machine. Unnecessary production of machines is not great for your carbon footprint. It remains far more environmentally friendly to continue using one machine for a good period of time, than requiring the refinement of materials to be used for a new machine + the construction of a new machine + shipping of that machine.

You seem to suggest I replacement my machine every year to be cost effective, so that is 8 replacements, and based on my Macbook Pro that is 435KG of C02 released to make each replacement + 232KG of CO2 from energy use over those 8 years. That adds up to 3,712KG of C02 emitted. Where as if you're buying a machine to keep for 8 years (like I plan) that would be 435KG for the 8 years + 232KG of usage, thus equalling a total of 667KG of cO2 over 8 years compared to 3,712KG cO2.

And what does my username have to do with anything? I collect vintage Macs and I also enjoy using modern Macs.

 

[navaira]

I thought @oldmacs username was a reference to Buyer's Guide.

 

[oldmacs]

I thought @oldmacs username was a reference to Buyer's Guide.

Lol 'Oldmacs' is because when I signed up for my first Mac forum (not Macrumours), it was to get help with my collection of vintage Macs, I was having issues with my LC 475, so the name just carried across.

 

[dannys1]

It is a lot of money and not of us have much money.

The environmental point is not moot or ridiculous. For most Macs (Especially the laptops) the majority of the C02 output is a result of the production of the machine. Unnecessary production of machines is not great for your carbon footprint. It remains far more environmentally friendly to continue using one machine for a good period of time, than requiring the refinement of materials to be used for a new machine + the construction of a new machine + shipping of that machine.

You seem to suggest I replacement my machine every year to be cost effective, so that is 8 replacements, and based on my Macbook Pro that is 435KG of C02 released to make each replacement + 232KG of CO2 from energy use over those 8 years. That adds up to 3,712KG of C02 emitted. Where as if you're buying a machine to keep for 8 years (like I plan) that would be 435KG for the 8 years + 232KG of usage, thus equalling a total of 667KG of cO2 over 8 years compared to 3,712KG cO2.

And what does my username have to do with anything? I collect vintage Macs and I also enjoy using modern Macs.

Do you have children?