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Seems that Apple has lost all interest in anything other than casual gaming on macOS (OS X). If Apple can't be bothered why should I?

Looks like I'm forced to build a Windows gaming computer.
 
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So i can't install this as an update to my current iMac? I must buy a new machine?
You paid once for it, yeah ...

But than, after a time, Apple will tell you, that you can't install it on you actually used Mac and than you have to choose:
1.) You won't install this OS update or
2.) You will need to buy a new Mac computer (and pay for the OS "update" again).
 
Metal is dead. No dev interest or support. Apple's refusal to support Vulkan is hurting devs and is based purely upon pride and hubris. They need to accept that Metal is a failure and give devs what they need.
Devs need to shut up. Apple's own ARM silicon won't be optimized for two different frameworks and compatibility between iOS and macOS is king. OpenGL on Mac is a stinking whale carcass on the beach.
What's wrong with the file system? I've only heard that rant from Torvalds, and it was just about bogus reasons involving filename comparison (e.g. non-case-sensitive, which it should be anyway if you don't want to confuse people). Looked more like he was somehow personally offended by it. Are there actually problems with performance and reliability?
For example calculating folder sizes performes so badly under HFS+, the feature is turned off by default. That's why APFS offers a feature called "fast directory sizing".
 
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There are many great PC Laptops out there. Some of them have lasted for over 10 years. The most important thing is to stay away from HP and such manifactures.

I've never seen one - ten years is a ridiculously long time though - hell Id still nearly have my G5 Mac if I was to keep computers that long. Its false economy too, sell whilst they're still relatively new with warranty and it costs pennies to upgrade to the latest model.
 
I've never seen one - ten years is a ridiculously long time though - hell Id still nearly have my G5 Mac if I was to keep computers that long. Its false economy too, sell whilst they're still relatively new with warranty and it costs pennies to upgrade to the latest model.

My uncle still uses a Pentium 133 MHz with Windows 98 and DOS for a CNC machine in his workshop. Only the hard drive changed over the years. It was a pain to find a working driver for a never PCI card with SATA support. But he finally managed it, so in case of bad hard drives it simply swaps out to a never one.
 
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I've never seen one - ten years is a ridiculously long time though - hell Id still nearly have my G5 Mac if I was to keep computers that long. Its false economy too, sell whilst they're still relatively new with warranty and it costs pennies to upgrade to the latest model.
Unfortunately for you, I have some 10 years old Delll as well. It's 10 years old. It was released with XP and it now runs Windows 10. The battery is completely dead and there's no point in getting a new one, since I don't use it that much. It has 2GB of Ram and it had 60GB hard drive, which I replaced with 120GB harddrive from my old MacBook. The keys and everything work as well.

I also have a custom built PC from 2004 and it can run Windows 10. It works. I know many people that have used HP computers though and yes, these HP computers die very quickly and often have issues with motherboards and overheating.

The thing is that there are great PCs and Android Tablets and phones out there too, but it's more difficult to find. To all the others, my friend's HP laptop cost over 1000€ and it died quickly after the warranty ended. I managed to fix the motherboard, but it died again. All I can say for now is to stay away from HP if you're looking for a PC and it wasn't just one HP laptop that died. I know plenty of these.
 
Under Security and Privacy, the Allow Apps Downloaded From section is missing the anywhere option.

I hope this is just a Developer limitation...
It's not. But you can still install apps from an unidentified developer by right-clicking and select open from the context menu. You have to confirm a security warning once and then the app is permitted to run on your computer forever.
 
I've never seen one - ten years is a ridiculously long time though - hell Id still nearly have my G5 Mac if I was to keep computers that long. Its false economy too, sell whilst they're still relatively new with warranty and it costs pennies to upgrade to the latest model.

My uncle still uses a Pentium 133 MHz with Windows 98 and DOS for a CNC machine in his workshop. Only the hard drive changed over the years. It was a pain to find a working driver for a never PCI card with SATA support. But he finally managed it, so in case of bad hard drives it simply swaps out to a never one.

Before I got my first Mac in 2006, I was still using a 100MHz Pentium running Windows 95.
It was starting to fail, and if I knew then what I do now, I probably would have kept it.

With substitute parts like an IDE based CompactFlash adapter and a 2GB CompactFlash card, I could've made a kinda-sorta-but-not-quite SSD to replace the hard drive, I could have tracked down replacements for the Mouse, Keyboard, Floppy and CD-ROM drives, so much I could've done, but it's gone now.

I also generally prefer my systems last about 10 years, as I cannot afford to upgrade every time the 'latest and greatest' comes around.
 
There's a new version of Metal in macOS, and now it's quite on par with DX12. In El captain it was something between DX9 and DX11. This is a great improvement and a reason to sack openGL. Or build it on top of Metal. That could be even an open source project if anybody is interested!! OpenGL for Metal.
 
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I hear you, I've got the very same machine. I'm willing to bet it would still be plenty capable to run Sierra and I'm curious to know the technical reasons - if any - why support for it was dropped.

I'm also quite confused and probably we're missing something here.
Late 2009 Macbook specs:
  • 2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed
  • 1066MHz frontside bus
  • 2GB (two 1GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 4GB
Mid 2009 Macbook Pro specs:
  • 2.53GHz or 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed; or 2.8GHz or 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 6MB shared L2 cache
  • 1066MHz frontside bus
  • 4GB (two 2GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 memory; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 8GB
In the end the Macbook Pro is not supported but the Macbook is? Am I wrong when I say that the Macbook Pro here has better specs than the Macbook?
 
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I'm also quite confused and probably we're missing something here.
Late 2009 Macbook specs:
  • 2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed
  • 1066MHz frontside bus
  • 2GB (two 1GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 4GB
Mid 2009 Macbook Pro specs:
  • 2.53GHz or 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed; or 2.8GHz or 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 6MB shared L2 cache
  • 1066MHz frontside bus
  • 4GB (two 2GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 memory; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 8GB
In the end the Macbook Pro is not supported but the Macbook is? Am I wrong when I say that the Macbook Pro here has better specs than the Macbook?
There seems to be couple of reasons why Apple draw the line like that. A Mac has to have all these: WIFI Airport with n standard + BT, CPU with Intel VT- and DMI (unless 9400M or 320M, which does DMI) or SM 4.0 compatible GPU, all these from the base model. There are CTO models that would run 10.12 perfectly, but I suppose Apple thought the list would have become too complicated...

From another thread I've read that not all models are blocked that are below the Apple list. So, it is a rough list where the support ends, but there might be individual, CTO models that still work. UPDATE: No, Apple has blacklisted them, but for instance firewire update Mac Pro 4.1 > 5.1 makes it work if you have similar hw as 5.1 has. But, 10.12 should work, but needs some hacking... that is if you meet all the requirements mention above.
 
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I sense that all these new services running in the background, will drag down the performance more than what the new filesystem could save. other than than that: widely underwhelming release. if you want picture in picture, you can download opera today...
 
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There seems to be couple of reasons why Apple draw the line like that. A Mac has to have all these: WIFI Airport with n standard + BT, CPU with Intel VT- and DMI (unless 9400M or 320M, which does DMI) or SM 4.0 compatible GPU, all these from the base model. There are CTO models that would run 10.12 perfectly, but I suppose Apple thought the list would have become too complicated...

From another thread I've read that not all models are blocked that are below the Apple list. So, it is a rough list where the support ends, but there might be individual, CTO models that still work. UPDATE: No, Apple has blacklisted them, but for instance firewire update Mac Pro 4.1 > 5.1 makes it work if you have similar hw as 5.1 has. But, 10.12 should work, but needs some hacking... that is if you meet all the requirements mention above.

It still doesn't make much sense as in every aspect, the Macbook Pro mid 2009 is way better than the Macbook late 2009. Any spec you look at, you can always see that.
 
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Its a decent incremental update, I'm not overly jazzed up over the update. I'm no fan of the California names, but I do like Mac OS

Why do we need three naming identifiers of this. macOS Sierra 10.12.xx?
Interesting point, but at no time during the keynote did they call the OS "macOS Sierra 10.12.xx". The 10.12.xx is not exactly meant for marketing.

Sort of like how no one calls Windows 7 "Windows 7 SP2 v6.1" blah blah blah. The media covering the Apple Event has largely pushed the 10.12.xx.
 
Seems that Apple has lost all interest in anything other than casual gaming on macOS (OS X). If Apple can't be bothered why should I?

Looks like I'm forced to build a Windows gaming computer.
Has it ever been anything but casual? Until apple gets serious some supporting hardware, the studios are not going to bother developing for OS X for the small sales.

With the potential shift to VR, Apple is likely to be left far behind when it comes to gaming
 
There's a new version of Metal in macOS, and now it's quite on par with DX12. In El captain it was something between DX9 and DX11. This is a great improvement and a reason to sack openGL. Or build it on top of Metal. That could be even an open source project if anybody is interested!! OpenGL for Metal.

Do you have a source for this please?
 
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There's a new version of Metal in macOS, and now it's quite on par with DX12. In El captain it was something between DX9 and DX11. This is a great improvement and a reason to sack openGL. Or build it on top of Metal. That could be even an open source project if anybody is interested!! OpenGL for Metal.

Do you have a source for this please?

Great news if true.

They probably mentioned that on the "Platforms State of the Union" keynote, can't wait to watch it later.
 
My uncle still uses a Pentium 133 MHz with Windows 98 and DOS for a CNC machine in his workshop. Only the hard drive changed over the years. It was a pain to find a working driver for a never PCI card with SATA support. But he finally managed it, so in case of bad hard drives it simply swaps out to a never one.

To be fair I can fully imagine that with a desktop PC - just not with any laptop made in 2005. Most people I know manage to completely destroy their phones within a year even though they all wrap in ridiculous large cheap Chinese phone cases.
 
I also generally prefer my systems last about 10 years, as I cannot afford to upgrade every time the 'latest and greatest' comes around.

That's where I think you're wrong though - hustle a decent price price on the gear when you first buy it, add value to it when you come to sell it second hand and it really costs very little a year to own the latest technology. It costs me less each year to keep all my products on the latest version that most of my friends spend on drinking alcohol (a lot lot LOT less!)
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Unfortunately for you, I have some 10 years old Delll as well. It's 10 years old. It was released with XP and it now runs Windows 10. The battery is completely dead and there's no point in getting a new one, since I don't use it that much. It has 2GB of Ram and it had 60GB hard drive, which I replaced with 120GB harddrive from my old MacBook. The keys and everything work as well.

I also have a custom built PC from 2004 and it can run Windows 10. It works. I know many people that have used HP computers though and yes, these HP computers die very quickly and often have issues with motherboards and overheating.

The thing is that there are great PCs and Android Tablets and phones out there too, but it's more difficult to find. To all the others, my friend's HP laptop cost over 1000€ and it died quickly after the warranty ended. I managed to fix the motherboard, but it died again. All I can say for now is to stay away from HP if you're looking for a PC and it wasn't just one HP laptop that died. I know plenty of these.

The other point to this is there is little to no resale value to a Dell after a year or two anyway, so you might as well keep it - where as since I moved to exclusively Apple products a year ago I realise that even after 3 years of use you can still easily recoup 40% of what you paid for it. I think all the PC desktops and laptops I owned for the 20 years before hand just ended up in landfill once id finished with them unfortunately.
 
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