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Why does apple not change case when a massive shift occurs with internal changes? This was obvious when Apple flipped to intel. Update the case! Or is it bad for the environment?

1. because getting new industrial designs done is probably a colossaly slow process to complete. The Industrial design group at Apple is a chokepoint in term of getting multiple things done concurrently.


2. Apple is Scrooge McDuck cheap. Still selling the Intel version. Same case with different logic boards saves money. Probably components on the Intel and M1 logic boards that are the same so bulk buy discounts there too.




Even Microsoft and Samsung get this concept. Make it new looking so it's exciting to the masses.

Imagine a car company releasing the same looking vehicle with just engine changes.

In some sense, actually happens every year . Same model come with different engines ( V4 , V4 turbo , V6 in same car model year ) . I get trying to make some difference but chassis and basic infrastructure can spans years also.

On the Mini they aren't really "buying" much with a change. Frankly there are a large number of users who deploy Mini's in racks that do not want Apple to change the form factor at all. They just need new Mini's to do Continuous Integration and Cloud OS instance hosting services. They have spent lots of money on custom racks specifically for the Mini and don't want a change.
 
ARM uses RAM much differently than amd64 instruction sets. Let's see benchmarks first.
Ha ha ha. Show me how arm will miraculously do matrix algebra with matrices that don't fit in RAM, will you? Not everyone just browses the web / processes video / photos on their computers. I have 16 GB of RAM in my mac mini 2012 and MBPro 2011.

Max. 16 GB of RAM in 2020 is just ridiculous. And, by the way, this will mean a very short lifetime of these machines compared to the old models. So much for the proclaimed environment-friendliness.

:-(
 
RAM needs depend on the user and what applications they use - as well as how many applications at one time - processor architecture has some impact, but certain things will take a certain amount of ram - if there isn't enough ram, it has to page it out to disk (SSD helps, but still much slower than ram, and increases wear on the SSD).

My mother has more than enough ram with 16 GB (she was hitting swap a bit with 8GB), My wife does 2d graphic design, 32 GB helps over 16GB for sure (rarely hits swap). For me 32GB is a minimum, 64 GB keeps me out of swap 99% of the time - on one computer with 32GB of ram I'm currently at 6 GB of swap used after 25 day uptime (typically have 10 apps on the go, with at least 2 web browsers each with multiple windows & tabs open)
I personally wouldn't sell someone a computer without at least 16GB of ram - especially not one with soldered ram, it is one of the most effective things to keep a computer feeling like it's fast even with several things running.
100% this.
 
Max. 16 GB of RAM in 2020 is just ridiculous. And, by the way, this will mean a very short lifetime of these machines compared to the old models. So much for the proclaimed environment-friendlyiess.

:-(
great point. lifecycle analysis goes to years in the field. 1/4 the lifetime is same as 4x more footprint.
 
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Even though if history repeats itself, these M1 models will be completely and totally blown away by what follows it. I don't know what that might be unless Apple gets into the VR market and the M1 chip just wont cut it for that. But if you know this going in and are willing to upgrade once you find out you can't do any of the fancy new stuff 2 years later, then I would say this isn't bad if you plan on not doing anything professional with it. If the OS dosnt slow down after years of upgrades for what I do at home with a computer this is pretty good. Would I expect so little of a Windows PC at this price point? Not on your life.
Its a new CPU/GPU & Chipset running macOS - it will behave like previous Macs running for years - unless Apple changes how they develop macOS to push the hardware much harder than they have been (more like the phones?). With most Mac computers, it's typically about 5 years before the changes in the OS start to make older hardware feel slow (or be no longer supported)
 
That seems awfully cheap for Apple. Curious to see what the base model for 699 offers. May get it for work since I am working full time from home now
it offers limited expandability with only 2 TB3 (USB4) ports and one HDMI port and no RAM expandability… OWC will not be happy about this!
 
Surprisingly, Mac mini is the best product to come out of this event. Speaking about price value compared with Macbooks. Wished they really offered the RGB light coming from the bottom of the device as shown in the presentation. That was cool visually.
 
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Already ordered it. Got it 80 € cheaper through our portal at work too 👏🏽 256 GB is enough for me. Used my MacBook Pro with 128 GB for the last 8 years thanks to everything being in the cloud or on my NAS
 

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Order placed. Would have absolutely appreciated the option for 10Gbps Ethernet, as I just upgraded my home office with 10Gbps switches back to the network/sever rack in a different part of my home.

 
Mac mini 16gb ram 2 usb 4 ....... that means there will be a Mac Pro mini next year !!

Yeah, I just posted that these M1 machines seem to be an "entry level" tier for ultra-portable, smallest Pro MBP, and mid-range Mini, the next gen, "M2" will increase performance and capacities across the board, but in a different product, so the MBP with 32-64GB RAM capacity (and a 12+4 or 16+4 core design, 12-16 core GPU) wll be the MBP 16".

... and I suspect, the more capable Mini will get new branding, I'm 100% with you, it'll be a Mini Pro :)

Next year, I'll be on deck for a "Mini-like" machine with 4 TB3 ports, 12-16 core CPU/GPU, and 32 or 64GB RAM options :) By then, I'll also have my development situation sorted out.
 
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Even though they call the ports "Thunderbolt / USB 4", it's just Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3.1 Gen 2:


Two Thunderbolt / USB 4 ports with support for:

DisplayPort
Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s)
USB 3.1 Gen 2 (up to 10Gb/s)
Thunderbolt 2, HDMI, DVI, and VGA supported using adapters (sold separately)
 
you don't need a lot of ram on arm, I'm buying that Mac mini
How do you know that? Do you have one already? Do you think someone that does video editing or photoshop would be happy with just 16gb of ram? There are plenty of cell phones that run arm and are already shipping with 12gb of RAM.
 
Why does apple not change case when a massive shift occurs with internal changes? This was obvious when Apple flipped to intel. Update the case! Or is it bad for the environment?

Even Microsoft and Samsung get this concept. Make it new looking so it's exciting to the masses.

Imagine a car company releasing the same looking vehicle with just engine changes.

It's almost like they think all these intro animations with bangs and booms make up for the "uh, this looks the same... still..." :\

I agree. The only reason I could think that Apple updates their machines like this is because;

Consumers who want the latest tech will buy a machine for the spec. bump regardless of design. Once the design is refreshed, a percentage of the customers who bought the latest tech will want the latest look as well. This way Apple can tempt people to upgrade and potentially sell more computers.

It’s a working theory.
 
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Intel UHD Graphics 630 in Mac Mini 2018: 3.150 GPixel/s, 25.20 GTexel/s, FP32 403.2 GFLOPS

M1 Mac Mini 2020: 41 GPixel/s, 82 GTexel/s, FP32 2.6 TFLOPS

A12Z FP32 1.1 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 560X 2.056 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5300M 3.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5300 4.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 580X 5.530 TFLOPS
 
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maybe that lack of RAM expandability and pulling away two TB ports and no 10 GB Ethernet is about protecting the Pro lineup until they get the nest iteration of Apple Silicon. Will they be producing multiple variants of M1 or M² the way intel has i3, i5, i7 i9 and each at different speeds? Or just can they run more than one M1 on a mother board to scale up performance?
 
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Apple today introduced a new Mac mini, its second Mac powered by the company's custom M1 Apple Silicon chip with integrated graphics processor.

mac-mini-2020.jpg

Thanks to the introduction of the M1 chip, the Mac mini's 8-core CPU provides faster performance than the previous generation. Specifically, Apple says that the M1-powered Mac mini is able to compile code in Xcode up to three times faster, play a graphics-intensive game with up to four times higher frame rates, and render a complex timeline in Final Cut Pro up to six times faster.

The new Mac mini also features an advanced thermal design to sustain performance, allowing it to stay cool and quiet. It supports up to two displays and Wi-Fi 6 for faster wireless performance. There's also the Secure Enclave in M1 for what Apple describes as best-in-class security.

Apple says the 5-nanometer M1 chip supports Thunderbolt and USB 4 support, and boasts the world's fastest integrated graphics with a 16-core Neural Engine that can process 11 trillion operations per second.

The new Mac mini continues Apple's transition away from Intel processors in Macs. Back in June, Apple revealed its plans to begin using its own custom Apple Silicon processors in Macs, promising industry-leading performance per watt. At the time, Apple said that the transition would take about two years to be completed.

The Mac mini with M1 is available to order today on Apple.com, and then it will begin to arrive to customers next week. The Mac min is available at $699 for 256GB storage and at $899 for 512GB storage.

Article Link: Apple Unveils New Mac Mini Powered By M1 Apple Silicon
Does anyone know what game is shown on the Mac mini screen?
 
Intel UHD Graphics 630 in Mac Mini 2018: 3.150 GPixel/s, 25.20 GTexel/s, FP32 403.2 GFLOPS

M1 Mac Mini 2020: 41 GPixel/s, 82 GTexel/s, FP32 2.6 TFLOPS

Radeon Pro 560X 2.056 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5300M 3.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5300 4.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 580X 5.530 TFLOPS
where did you get eh M1 benchmark?
 
I really dislike the “disposable” model of computing Apple is pursuing eg no user upgradeable RAM. Not for the money aspect but just environmentally.
Even a fully custom-built PC is disposable after a few years unless you want to keep putting old upgrades into it. You can save the PSU and case I guess. Meanwhile Apple computers are much simpler in terms of hardware and manufacturing since they don't care about modularity. And more reliable too, even if one bad piece can kill it. So I'm not sure which is worse for the environment, but it seems like a wash.
 
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