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I’m not concerned about the lack of RAM upgrades, Apple’s A-series chips consistently run rings around their Qualcomm and Intels best with double the RAM. Also, it sucks that there are 2 less Thunderbolt 4/ USB 4 ports, but the biggest travesty to me is no space grey option. Where is my space grey Apple!!??
 
has to surely, over TB3 ePCI is supported in the OS.
That will be welcoming views.. As a normal person and developer myself, I can't see how a small chip can beat a Radeon or Nvidia beast. If the mini will support egpu still, Im in for this first gen. I have all the rest of peripherals.
 
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While I've been waiting for this announcement for a while, coming from a 32GB 10GBe Mac mini, I'm very disappointed and will not be buying this initial model.

* No Space Gray
* No 10GBe Option
* Few Ports
* 16GB Max memory

Hopefully they'll be bringing a better model soon.
 
With 16GB max I'm not ready to use it for a desktop. Probably too many bugs using AS for a media box at this time. So ordered an Air to try things. Same CPU just missing 2 USB ports.
 
Maybe the M2 or M1x or whatever the more performance chip is will shed light. Maybe they will release Mac Mini Pro.
Likely 16" MBP, Mini Pro and iMac Pro hopefully will have something similar super more nuts.
 
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  • 16gb ram limit (weak for VMs)
  • 2 monitor limit (old one could do 3 monitors)
  • 2 less ports (the $100 saved will now require $100 in dongles, to get 2 monitors and a external powered usb3 hub)
 
So if you two TB monitors, 4K and 5K in my case, does this work? Or is it just supporting one single TB monitor and you're on your own for the second one?
 
  • Native DisplayPort output over USB‑C
So does that mean my current cal digit thunderbolt doc with 2 monitors will work? or the the club 3 usb c adaptors. I have work. The video support section needs more info! Will my 2 lg 4k monitors work?
 
Not sure if this was mentioned but the old Mini included the keyboard and mouse... this one does not. Kinda a bummer. I'm leaning towards a Mini though at this point and holding out for a redesigned MBP in the future. Mini is by far the most intriguing offer of the group.
 
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I just watched
Is it possible the Apple silicon apps could use less ram? If the iPad Pro could use less than 16, I would imagine 26 is more than enough for the pro and mini?
This is also due to differences in iOS/iPadOS vs macOS - iOS/iPadOS required developers to program for specific amounts of ram with no possibility of virtual memory (Swap) - if it runs low on ram, it quits apps in the background - thanks to being a mostly one app at a time OS, the user generally doesn't know.
macOS is a multiple apps in multiple windows OS, if things start quitting in the background, most people would know, and not all macOS apps are built to be killed off like that.
 
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Not sure if this was mentioned but the old Mini included the keyboard and mouse... this one does not. Kinda a bummer. I'm leaning towards a Mini though at this point and holding out for a redesigned MBP in the future. Mini is by far the most intriguing offer of the group.
Mac mini's have never included the keyboard & mouse it was always "BYOKMD" bring your own keyboard, mouse and display since it was introduced.
 
I’m pretty sure apple dropped the bundled keyboard and mouse a LONG time ago. My last mini I bought in 2009 didn’t come with a keyboard and mouse.
 
I configured the new mini with 1TB SSD + 16GB RAM. The price I got was close to 1500€. Not bad. Sounds like a great proposition. At the moment I have a 2018 mini QC i3 8/128 and an external SSD.I would really want some day, when I finish my music CD, to make my first steps in video editing.
 
So FYI, the Mini used for comparison in this:

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i.e., footnote [2], indicates this:

Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction Mac mini systems with Apple M1 chip, and production 3.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i3-based Mac mini systems, all configured with 16GB of RAM and 2TB SSD. Prerelease Final Cut Pro 10.5 tested using a 55-second clip with 4K Apple ProRes RAW media, at 4096x2160 resolution and 59.94 frames per second, transcoded to Apple ProRes 422. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of Mac mini.

So that's vs. the 3.6GHz i3 machine, the "entry level" Intel option.

What it looks like we're seeing is Apple creating more fixed tiers of CPU + GPU + RAM, vs. the more "mix and match" options with Intel machines.

M1 = 8-16GB RAM, 8 Core CPUs, 7-8 Core GPU

I mean, this is the first time there's been sort of a normalized CPU/GPU across multiple product lines, the MBA, MBP, Mini have more or less the same specs (a few minor option variants), assuming maybe the actively cooled machines have a little more clock speed[?]


For next year, and yes, I'm just pulling this out of thin air:

M2 = 16-32GB (64?), 16 Core CPU, 16 Core GPU that will be for the 16" MBP, Mini "Pro"
 
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For useable ports, it's actually the same number. The last 2018 Mac mini had bluetooth issues with the USB-A ports so you couldn't actually use those ones.

I'll probably sit on my 2018 for a couple of refreshes just for Apple to iron out the compatibility issues.
 
This was a surprised? I think the mini was the very least surprising. They already had the Mac mini converted to Apple Silicon for the developer systems which have been out for several months so it was a guarantee that it'd be the first to see the new tech.
I say surprise because all of the rumors heading into the event were only saying the two Macbooks... and especially with the pro focus they had the 2018 minis and beyond.
 
Ha ha ha. Show me how arm will miraculously do matrix algebra with matrices that don't fit in RAM, will you? Not everyone just browses the web / processes video / photos on their computers. I have 16 GB of RAM in my mac mini 2012 and MBPro 2011.

Max. 16 GB of RAM in 2020 is just ridiculous. And, by the way, this will mean a very short lifetime of these machines compared to the old models. So much for the proclaimed environment-friendliness.

:-(
You know as well as I, these machines are not designed for matrix algebra! They are general computing machines, and fine ones. They started the transition with the 3 lowest end macs available.
On top of the fact you have absolutely no idea the ram requirements for these new chips in comparison with their intel counterparts.
They are still selling the Mac mini with intel configs, so there will be, clearly, a higher end model announced better socs are ready.
To poo poo it off the back of available ram is laughable. (16gb, by the way, is perfectly fine for almost anything a general user would throw at it). You telling me you’d be buying a low end MacBook Air for these functions?
Waits until you see what they offer pro users before you start going off on one about how they’re not good enough for your specific pro requirements.
 
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The maximum of 16GB of RAM is fine for average consumer usage, but it is a serious limitation for power users.

The fact that iPad/iPhone have been more efficient with less RAM is not relevant. This is a Mac, not an iPad. Many powerful Mac apps are big and can use lots of RAM. It is super-easy to run many Mac apps at the same time, which uses RAM. And many Mac apps are going to run in Rosetta 2, in the short-term at least, which will also use additional RAM.
 
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It's a desktop computer you can plug 2TB Nvme in USB-C enclosure
The speed difference between memory and solid state storage is on the order of 10,000%. They are not interchangeable.
No but you don't need all that data in your ram. It is different architecture and you still thinking X86. For example if their claim of 3.6 GB/s on the new SSD is true, the whole OS will load in 3 second or so. Apple specifically said that you can have more plugins opened in Logic Pro how this will be possible with less ram? But it is possible. Welcome to ARM.
 
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