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“Up to 16GB RAM”....
Is that a limitation of the processor? Or is that the max you can BTO?
The current mini can take up to 64GB I think

If I understood correctly the RAM is now part of the processor, so I would guess that yes it is a limitation of the processor.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out that the 8gb version also has 16gb on the chip but with only 8gb active.
 
I want to see what M1 can do with its unified 16Gb RAM . This is the biggest concern I have right now as the RAM will not be upgradable . For large music projects with VI, RAM is critical.
Well assuming they are using the latest PCI-E 4.0 SSDs (which sounds like they are from the video), they are about as fast as RAM from 10 years ago. So there might not be the same performance issues from having less RAM. Will need to wait until someone gets one to be sure though.
 
Well assuming they are using the latest PCI-E 4.0 SSDs (which sounds like they are from the video), they are about as fast as RAM from 10 years ago. So there might not be the same performance issues from having less RAM. Will need to wait until someone gets one to be sure though.
Raw transfer speed of large files it might be similar, but SSD and ram have vastly different latency and small data performance. It is a big speed hit going down from RAM to even the fastest SSD
 
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Do you think it can compete by performance in logic and final cut?

Good question, I really don't know. I'm not a big FCP and Logic user. I do mostly general computing with media conversion and light editing. Yes, I know it's overkill :)

But, I would appreciate any thoughts on a spec'd out ASi Mac mini + XDR vs. base iMac Pro.
 
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Also, I was really hoping for 599% price tag instead of 699% for Mac mini, which may seems cheap for some in US but outside of it, it's not that cheap device anymore. But hey, it's something.
 
LOL at the thought of there being any real person running a Mac Mini with a Pro Display XDR

"Hm, what's the perfect display for my new, tidy little $1,500 desktop? I know! The 32", 6k, $6,000 XDR!"
I guess I'm make believe?

Although I already pulled the trigger on the new mini, I'm getting close on the XDR. Yes, it is overkill and I'd prefer a $3K display. But it's not like the XDR will become unusable for me in 8 years.
 
Not sure if this was mentioned but the old Mini included the keyboard and mouse... this one does not. Kinda a bummer. I'm leaning towards a Mini though at this point and holding out for a redesigned MBP in the future. Mini is by far the most intriguing offer of the group.
That must be pre-2018 Mac mini -that one didn't include anything but the mini and a power-cable. The only Apple computers still shipping with accessories are the iMacs and the Mac Pro.
 
For a base consumer model, this new 2020 M1 based Mac mini appears to totally crush the previous low-end i3 intel in almost every way (except for not being able to upgrade the ram later) - it should have CPU performance near the i7 model, and GPU performance around that of adding a Radeon 560 eGPU (maybe a little better) to the previous Mac mini, so in that market, it is very good and I will easily recommend it to some users.

It's just on the high-end comparing to what was possible on the previous i5/i7 2018 Mac mini with upgradable and how much ram it could take, number of screens, eGPU options, 10 Gb Ethernet option that it is lacking. At least the previous model is still available until some future M2/M3/etc... are able to get it back into that range hopefully.
 
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For a base consumer model, this new 2020 M1 based Mac mini appears to totally crush the previous low-end i3 intel in almost every way (except for not being able to upgrade the ram later) - it should have CPU performance near the i7 model, and GPU performance around that of adding a Radeon 560 eGPU (maybe a little better) to the previous Mac mini, so in that market, it is very good and I will easily recommend it to some users.

It's just on the high-end comparing to what was possible on the previous i5/i7 2018 Mac mini with upgradable and how much ram it could take, number of screens, eGPU options, 10 Gb Ethernet option that it is lacking. At least the previous model is still available until some future M2/M3/etc... are able to get it back into that range hopefully.

Seems like you can still use eGPU on the 2020 Mac mini.
 
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If I understood correctly the RAM is now part of the processor, so I would guess that yes it is a limitation of the processor.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out that the 8gb version also has 16gb on the chip but with only 8gb active.
I was wondering if the 7 core GPU on the Air is the same. Maybe they had a high failure rate on some parts of the silicon so disable as needed?
 
I’m currently on the i7 2018, was going to upgrade but given I use all my thunderbolt ports, an egpu and have 64GB of ram - I won’t bother. This is clearly as massive upgrade on the base mini but not for the top end 2018 one for anyone using it with an egpu or more than 16Gb of ram (I do video editing on mine)
 
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Should anyone have ever bought the iMac Pro especially when the standard iMac offered vastly more value for money?? Unless you really needed that Xeon CPU...

Should anyone have ever bought the iMac Pro especially when the standard iMac offered vastly more value for money?? Unless you really needed that Xeon CPU...

For audio work. The iMac is much worse than the iMac Pro 10 core than I have for Logic, for the work I do, and it‘s also much louder.
 
any leaks on possible "M1X" in the spring along next ipad? something like 2x gpu and perf cores? would kill for mini with such config.
 
What would be the better investment, this Mac Mini or updating my 2012 i7 to SSD?
Updating to an external boot SSD will change your world with the 2012. I have that now with 16GB ram. But I am planning to upgrade to this new one now since a lot of my basic tasks are now bogging down my processor.
 
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It's really hard to gage exactly what these machines will deliver. But I'm assuming it has to be a lot since Apple almost isn't delivering anything new in terms of designs or much else, besides whatever upgrades and integration with Big Sur will actually mean... and of course what the M1 chip actually offers in performance... which could be a lot?

I'm assuming this is a sort of slightly "SE" type scenario where you get a lot of value, aka the newest Apple chip, in a slightly older design but then don't get all the extra bells and whistles of the latest and greatest iOS and Mac devices.

Then, in 2021-2022, Apple releases other "M1" or maybe "M2" machines in completely new designs, with upgraded webcams, Face- or Touch ID, bright, metallic 2020 iPad-style exteriors, etc., and they'll cost an arm and a leg.
 
16GB max. Not sounding good.
Actually, I think that is a good sign. Apple SoCs are vastly more efficient than Intel chips and have an entirely different memory architecture. Maybe the M1 chip simply does not need as much RAM to run smoothly. After all, iPhones are the fastest phones in the industry and have much less RAM than Android flagships.
 
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Updating to an external boot SSD will change your world with the 2012. I have that now with 16GB ram. But I am planning to upgrade to this new one now since a lot of my basic tasks are now bogging down my processor.
Not trying to defer from the main topic, but I'm curious why an external SSD would be better than an internal SSD. I have a fusion drive in mine that I separated so it's only using the SSD portion for the OS. I've considered swapping in a bigger SSD as my final upgrade. Is external a better way to go?
 
I can find no confirmation of support for eGPU with apple silicon based Macs... and I've looked. I guess it will take a week or so until they are in people's hands and trying out stuff like this :)

True, no explicit support that I can see. But with official TB3 support, shouldn't eGPU be supported, by default?

In other words, is there ever a scenario where the TB3 protocol wouldn't support eGPU? By nature TB3 should provide a PCIe interface to the necessary components on the host machine.
 
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