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Apple Again: in the new MacBook 12 inch 2016 I like too see. 2 USB-C Ports a HD Camera better battery life and Better processor. And better Wi-Fi and graphics card.

What Apple has announced was just MacBook 12 inch 2015 with no improvements for 2016.

Apple get with it We want more USB-C Ports. Not just one USB-C Port.
 
Apple Again: in the new MacBook 12 inch 2016 I like too see. 2 USB-C Ports a HD Camera better battery life and Better processor. And better Wi-Fi and graphics card.

What Apple has announced was just MacBook 12 inch 2015 with no improvements for 2016.

Apple get with it We want more USB-C Ports. Not just one USB-C Port.

"Connected to everything. Tethered to nothing.
MacBook is not just ready for the wireless world. It was designed for it. Thanks to the latest wireless technologies — and innovative Apple software and services that let you get the most out of them — you can do nearly everything you need without plugging in.."

I don't know how much clearer Apple can be about this particular product. It's designed to be completely wireless. Your need for ports should steer you towards a product that has them.

Side note, the macbook has 802.11ac wireless, what better wifi are you talking about? I don't think 802.11ad is in production yet?
 
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"Connected to everything. Tethered to nothing.
MacBook is not just ready for the wireless world. It was designed for it. Thanks to the latest wireless technologies — and innovative Apple software and services that let you get the most out of them — you can do nearly everything you need without plugging in.."

I don't know how much clearer Apple can be about this particular product. It's designed to be completely wireless. Your need for ports should steer you towards a product that has them.

Side note, the macbook has 802.11ac wireless, what better wifi are you talking about? I don't think 802.11ad is in production yet?
 
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Yes, I honestly thought they would add a second port and lower the price slightly. It was way overpriced to begin with, but I chalked that up to the 'new factor'. Now that it's a year later, I'm surprised at the poor value (even by Apple standards) .
My guess is that the WOW factor is still there.

Apple already started phasing out the MBA (no spec bump ? Really???) so my guess is that next year MBA will become the polycarbonate white MacBook (just sold for price, education markets) and rMB will get a decent price cut ($200).

A larger screen is less likely (14") but still possible (Apple likes to have different price points). Even the iPad Pro has two sizes and a larger screen than current rMB.
 
HP Spectre. You're welcome. (Volume is slightly bigger, but it is thinner, so it doesn't really make a difference)

The Spectre is nearly half a pound heavier (2.45lbs), 13.3" screen meaning much larger overall footprint, and a 1920x1080 screen. It's not even close to the same device.

Try again.

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"Just fine" is relative. I'm a spatial analyst professional and that setup would make my head hurt. In fact I cringe just thinking about it, I simply couldn't do it. At the very least she should use Boot Camp and run ArcGIS natively.

But having been in the industry a while I know that there's a big range of users and applications of GIS from the very light to the power. Many people only want to plot a small amount of vector data they've collected (points/lines/polygons) coupled with some boundary data from the internet to make some very simple maps, or do some very simple geoprocessing operations like buffer, union, spatial join or update coupled with some simple reporting. For these uses a MacBook Air or even this rMB would be OK.

Then there are power users that work with very large volumes of data and images (in the gigabytes or even terabytes) and develop sophisticated spatial models for research and development, running analyses that can take hours or even days. In no way can an ultrabook fulfill these needs.

Simply saying you use a professional software and implying it runs fine in all situations or that it means the hardware is a capable professional machine is misleading. It's a bit like saying you use Photoshop when all you ever do is use it to rescale or rotate images. I have a pretty low tolerance for waiting though, especially UI sluggishness.

My mid 2015 rMBP Pro runs ArcGIS (and SPSS or any professional software for that matter) brilliantly and I often have these two packages running and using 100% of CPU and RAM, sometimes for short periods (under a minute) and sometimes for much longer. This MacBook would have a panic attack trying to do complex operations on large volumes of data.

So really just fine is relative. Yes you can get away with it for simple things, but the hardware is a very limiting factor when you need to do more.

It's not a professional laptop though and I think it's good for a lot of things in the light use realm.

I wasn't implying that the MacBook is a powerhouse that can be used in all situations. My statement was in reply to the poster who stated that college students needed a MBP.
 
That's not quite accurate. They added a port on the new iPad Pros to connect the smart keyboards.

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It's a "wireless" device, an iPad running OS X. They'll never give it another port. Apple taketh ports, never giveth.
 
It's a "wireless" device, an iPad running OS X. They'll never give it another port. Apple taketh ports, never giveth.

Well they did it on the MacBook Air.

If Apple removes the single function 3.5mm Jack on the iPhone, they will definitely replace the 3.5mm Jack on the rMB with a Lightning 2 port, which can be used with Apples Lightning headphones natively, to take the burden of powering the rMB, and leaving the USB-C free, or as a second data port with a dongle.

That's not quite accurate. They added a port on the new iPad Pros to connect the smart keyboards.

Another interesting observation. We know the smart connector supplies power, so there's no reason such a port couldn't be added to the rMB as a "MagSafe" type charging port. We'll just have to see what Apple's plans are for it. I still maintain that the 3.5mm Jack will be replaced by Lightning if Apple removes it from the iPhone, which at least a gives the option of another high speed data port along with charging. The smart connector would then provide a third method of charging the same device, but one which leaves one port free for standard USB-C peripherals, and one for headphones, or a dongle attached peripheral.
 
"Connected to everything. Tethered to nothing.
MacBook is not just ready for the wireless world. It was designed for it. Thanks to the latest wireless technologies — and innovative Apple software and services that let you get the most out of them — you can do nearly everything you need without plugging in.."

I don't know how much clearer Apple can be about this particular product. It's designed to be completely wireless. Your need for ports should steer you towards a product that has them.

Side note, the macbook has 802.11ac wireless, what better wifi are you talking about? I don't think 802.11ad is in production yet?
Yeah I don't get why people are surprised this didn't get redesigned only one year later. Apple is pretty clear about their intentions with this machine. It only has one port for charging and because Apple considers this mostly a wireless machine. I wonder how many people who would actually be in the market for this machine really need more ports vs everyone saying they do just because it doesn't have it.
 
Yeah I don't get why people are surprised this didn't get redesigned only one year later. Apple is pretty clear about their intentions with this machine. It only has one port for charging and because Apple considers this mostly a wireless machine. I wonder how many people who would actually be in the market for this machine really need more ports vs everyone saying they do just because it doesn't have it.
What I think is really telling is that the complainers clearly REALLY want this device, which certainly says something.

They won't consider a MBP, they want THIS machine, just slightly...more...like...the MBP. It's very confusing that they need to redesign one product clearly not meant to be a port laden high end power house, when Apple already offers the machine they want.
 
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The Spectre is nearly half a pound heavier (2.45lbs), 13.3" screen meaning much larger overall footprint, and a 1920x1080 screen. It's not even close to the same device.

Try again.
Yes, on the flip side tho, the new HP packs in a Skylake-U processor rather than a Core M, offers three USB-C ports instead of one, and two of these ports support Thunderbolt 3.

Size/weight is Apple's forte, but not power/features.
 
WELL....it seems that this announcement didn't go enthusiastically for the macrumors faithful.

However, for those here who are macbook users, are you excited.
For us Macbook Pro users and Mac Pro users, of course we can't see how someone would every want a one port machine. But many are business travelers who needs small and sleek and the one port is for plugging in the computer...they are thrilled.
 
The original air comes to mind, from first version you got a substantial improvement in storage, speed and better price . the first gen product was flawed overall and almost unusable.

If you wanted an air, you really needed to update to the second gen, in all honestly probably a bad example as the original air was a lemon on so many accounts , which the second gen corrected
Ah, I see your point. To me, the MacBook's most griped about "flaws" are the lack of ports and the damn webcam, one of which I think requires a physical redesign. I was trying to recall when Apple made a substantial physical redesign on the second generation of a notebook. :)
 
What I think is really telling is that the complainers clearly REALLY want this device, which certainly says something.

They won't consider a MBP, they want THIS machine, just slightly...more...like...the MBP. It's very confusing that they need to redesign one product clearly not meant to be a port laden high end power house, when Apple already offers the machine they want.
This +1. It's strange that on a discussions forum this concept seems so difficult to accept. And price tag is not helping in clearing ideas. Especially outside of US, where Starbucks people seems to be in minority
 
Yes portability, weight and battery life while still having power and plugs for your everyday travel is what a laptop should have. So the MBA is the best of the ultra portables Apple makes. Your point is meh.
You don't speak for all Apple users, so when you make unqualified statements (like above), your point is lost (IMO).

I just thought it was ironic that you're using the Air to dog the MacBook, when there are people here that use the Pro to dog the Air that you like so much.

What's the point? There's a market for the MacBook, you're just not in it. Just like there's a market for the Air that you're in, and plenty of people with Pros aren't. Doesn't make your Air any less of a better choice for you, does it?
 
This +1. It's strange that on a discussions forum this concept seems so difficult to accept. And price tag is not helping in clearing ideas. Especially outside of US, where Starbucks people seems to be in minority
I think you nailed it, at least for me. It's hard to bite the bullet on a price point that gets vastly better performance in MBA & MBP, yet the rMB is the one I would prefer due to size and weight. Essentially, if Apple had made the MBA with Retina I wouldn't even hesitate! rMBA is what I think most people who are complaining actually want to spend their hard earned dollars on.
 
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I am not advocating that there is need to be dogmatic about plugging your device in or not. But it is possible to plan ahead.

There is nothing at all wrong with plugging in a half charged laptop if you think you'll need it unplugged where there are no outlets later on, or don't want to carry you charger to the coffee shop, etc. But I was referring to the practice of and complaints by people who think they must have an umbilical connected to their laptop at all times.

Like you, I typically plug my iPhone in when I go to bed, and unplug it when I leave for work the next morning. But I have also put a fully charged iPhone on my bedside when I go to bed at night and woken up with it sitting at around 98%.

Finally, there is a significant difference in laptops vs iPhones, IMO. I have never had an iPhone long enough to see any significant change in battery life. However, my MBA's battery was getting pretty short lived a couple of years ago when Apple replaced it under warranty. It was likely getting close to its rated cycle life anyway. But keeping it plugged in all of the time certainly didn't help it.
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Tell that to Apple, who specifically tells you the opposite. And my MBA battery was toast in less than three years.
Common sense tells us that in order to extend the battery life we have to minimize the battery cycles, period! To accomplish that we either have to store the battery and not use it, which is not all that practical, or keep the battery in a fully charged state by using the device plugged in to the charger.

Lithium batteries have a limited life span, which is expressed in charge cycles. About 1000 charge cycles is typical for the current Li-Ion batteries' life span. A charge cycle is defined as a complete discharge and recharge. So discharging to 50% and recharging from there twice is counted as one cycle count for example.

I will leave it up to you to decide how to maximize the lifespan of your battery. Either you can keep your Mac plugged in all the time and minimize the cycle count, or charge it, use it until it is depleted and plug it in to charge it again every day. If you chose the second alternative, you will reach your 1000 cycle in about a 1000 days, which is about 3 years. Or you can keep your Mac plugged in all the time and discharge the battery as infrequently as possible like I do and use about 180 charge cycles like I did in 4 years.
 
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For us Macbook Pro users and Mac Pro users, of course we can't see how someone would every want a one port machine.

I think it is because many MBP users like using their laptop as a desktop as well, and that configuration requires multiple ports.

I think the MacBook is a great laptop. And I have a desktop to handle any unique scenarios the MacBook cannot.
 
But thinner is not always better. Because they seem to be going on and on about thin.
 
I think you nailed it, at least for me. It's hard to bite the bullet on a price point that gets vastly better performance in MBA & MBP, yet the rMB is the one I would prefer due to size and weight. Essentially, if Apple had made the MBA with Retina I wouldn't even hesitate! rMBA is what I think most people who are complaining actually want to spend their hard earned dollars on.
You nailed it with the bold words. Either hard earned (sometimes not popular on this forum) or easily (something a lot of people find normal or like to show off) price tag is the border on which the arguments are travelling on
 
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