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You left out one category. I had an AVCHD video camera and taped my son's first months in 1080 including when he was very first born. Now, I can't use those DVDs in iMovie and can only view it on a BluRay player. This is why I was hoping it would be compatible, not to watch movies on. Unless you know of another way to use the footage?

You can get an external BluRay drive and get the data off as BluRay drives are supported by OS X; I know this much because Toast Titanium 10 supports burning to BluRay discs. As for the video format itself, I think you should be able to edit it as it's not protected by encryption like commercial BluRay discs, but you may need to upgrade to the prosumer oriented Final Cut Express. Hth.
 
I've had enough of people asking this question or mentioning it when comparing PC's to Macs. "It doesn't play Bluray"

Think about it carefully. What is the purpose of BD right now? It's mainly used to play 1080p movies on BD players and PS3's all of which needs 32"+ screens to take full advantage of the image quality. Why would you really need BD players on 13", 15" or 17"? If I wanted to take advantage of 1080p movies I'd watch them on my 42" LCD with surround sound and not on my 13" Unibody MacBook. If you want to use it to store data then the better and quicker option is to use USB memory sticks. It's really a no brainer.

The other reason for Apple to hold out on bringing BD to its machines is the inevitable. Everyone knows that physical media formats are on the decline. It's all about downloading your songs, your movies and your games. Look at how the market is moving... Apple, Microsoft and Sony all implementing downloadable music, movies and games into their devices.

So please stop the BD nonsense now. It's past becoming annoying.

It's not annoying to my customers who are buying Sony Vaios with BD. They love it. They don't have to wait an hour or so to download a cr*ppy, inferior "HD" download everytime they want to watch a movie. Choice is good. The only bag of hurt is Apple's refusal to give customers the opportunity to have BD and HDMI becasue they want to force them to use itunes. Lame.
 
Wow these update suck bigtime on the Macbook Pro's

- build in battery on all macbook pro's (thats insane):(
- drop the express card slot for SD card slot (again insane) :(
- still no blu-ray support :(
- no options quad-core :(
- no options for extreme video cards :(

Apple get your act together and give better support for pro users, this can't be what the pro's asked for

THIS IS NOTHING SPECIAL!!! COME ON APPLE YOUR F$%#@ THINGS UP :mad:

Also:

- no tablet (why is this taking so long):(
- iphone didn't changed that much to call it special (some features of 3.0 are way to late)
- no final cut studio or logic studio updates of some kind :(

This is the worst WWDC in a long time

Don't get me wrong I like Apple allot but I just can't understand why they make these stupid decisions the last years for pro users

Maybe they should stop calling things "pro" at Apple?
 
I have the 13" unibody macbook with 4GB RAM. Since the new 13" macbook pro can be upgraded to 8GB, I wonder if I can safely upgrade my existing macbook to at least 6GB without losing stability.
 
This is probably one of the most advantageous offers ever to grace Apple's current lineup, which is simply THE BEST of the whole industry; the revamped MBP 13" is unbeatable in its segment, and the perfect replacement for those G4 12" worshipers.

In fact, there is simply no comparison with the "competition", given the absolutely superior OS, the lower prices, the return of FW and the best screens of the market.

GO APPLE! MS IS DEAD. AND BURIED.
Again, I quote for the hilarity.

I'm also waiting for your researched evidence proving beyond doubt that these are the "best screens of the market." And lower prices in comparison to what? Yesterday's models? They are still far more expensive than comparable or superior PC offerings.

But I guess you worship Steve Jobs every night, right?
 
You left out one category. I had an AVCHD video camera and taped my son's first months in 1080 including when he was very first born. Now, I can't use those DVDs in iMovie and can only view it on a BluRay player. This is why I was hoping it would be compatible, not to watch movies on. Unless you know of another way to use the footage?

Those are DVDs, though, right? If so, then you don't need Blu-ray hardware but some kind of software.

Well, I know nothing about AVCHD and the cameras that record in that format, so I might be making no sense at all! But look in to it before you decide a Mac can't handle it. Maybe there's a reasonably priced utility (maybe even free) that can help.
 
Again, I quote for the hilarity.

I'm also waiting for your researched evidence proving beyond doubt that these are the "best screens of the market." And lower prices in comparison to what? Yesterday's models? They are still far more expensive than comparable or superior PC offerings.

But I guess you worship Steve Jobs every night, right?

Where exactly did you see "best screens of the market" in that post you quoted?

And of course it means lower prices than yesterday, we aren't talking about dell here.
 
You can get an external BluRay drive and get the data off as BluRay drives are supported by OS X; I know this much because Toast Titanium 10 supports burning to BluRay discs. As for the video format itself, I think you should be able to edit it as it's not protected by encryption like commercial BluRay discs, but you may need to upgrade to the prosumer oriented Final Cut Express. Hth.

Thank you so much! I will definitely try it!!
 
I didn't actually see the keynote but to sum it up, apart from some apple shenanigans, they added "pro" to the original macbook? right?

I don't really care what it is called, but "pro" is rather confusing for a laptop wit no dedicated gpu and the like. Does this mean apple is saving the "macbook" tag for a new or revamped product yet to come?

cheers
 
Who will select...

Wow.

Who will now select the plastic macbook over the new 13" MBP. For $200 you get: aluminum chassis, faster processor (2.26 v 2.13), lighted keyboard, LED screen, SD slot, FW800 (v 400), better battery, more potential for ram (8gb (!) v 4 gb), lighter weight, and beauty.

The plastic Macbook is officially a loss leader.

Who will select the plastic MacBook? The IT coordinator at my work. Has to buy new laptops for everyone, wants to buy sheap and have no hassle: he even refuses to let me pay the difference! Sucks...

I'm not even sure I'm going to get the latest white MacBook, I may get a brand new "last year" MacBook!

Well... At least, it's a MacBook!
 
Wow these update suck bigtime on the Macbook Pro's

Oh, come on, don't be such a sad sack. ;)

- build in battery on all macbook pro's (thats insane):(
- drop the express card slot for SD card slot (again insane) :(
- still no blu-ray support :(
- no options quad-core :(
- no options for extreme video cards :(
These are about focusing on the most useful features and keeping the MBP as thin & light as possible. It's true: Apple does not give their customers as many options as other vendors. It has been this way for a long, long, time, though.

THIS IS NOTHING SPECIAL!!! COME ON APPLE YOUR F$%#@ THINGS UP :mad:

Now, now, don't be a mad sack either!

Also:

- no tablet (why is this taking so long):(
- iphone didn't changed that much to call it special (some features of 3.0 are way to late)
- no final cut studio or logic studio updates of some kind :(

This is the worst WWDC in a long time
There was never any reason to expect a tablet at WWDC. I don't think you understand all of the iPhone OS 3.0 features + better late than never. Also, FCS and Logic updates would never make or break any event (sorry, it's true).

Don't get me wrong I like Apple allot but I just can't understand why they make these stupid decisions the last years for pro users

Maybe they should stop calling things "pro" at Apple?

Like everyone says, "Pro" is a marketing term. It really doesn't mean anything by itself. I agree, though, that Apple has been focusing more on the consumer and less on the creative professional over the last few years. Still, for the 13" MB/MBP line, this is somewhat of an improvement in this regard.
 
Did the previous 13" unibody have the 9400M? What did the previous have in terms of Core 2 Duo speeds?
Yes, the older unibody MacBook had the same nVidia 9400M.

The processor speeds were 2.2 GHz and 2.4 GHz, IIRC. Which means you have to buy the $1,499 MBP if you want to have a faster processor. Otherwise, it's on par with yesterday's MacBook.
 
I didn't actually see the keynote but to sum it up, apart from some apple shenanigans, they added "pro" to the original macbook? right?

I don't really care what it is called, but "pro" is rather confusing for a laptop wit no dedicated gpu and the like. Does this mean apple is saving the "macbook" tag for a new or revamped product yet to come?

cheers
"Pro" is just a term. It implies that it's better than just a "MacBook."

It would have the exact same effect as calling it a "MacBook ][" or "MacBook Awesome" or "MacBook+" or anything like that.
 
Who will select the plastic MacBook? The IT coordinator at my work. Has to buy new laptops for everyone, wants to buy sheap and have no hassle!

Believe me, if he gets "sheap" he's gonna have hassles! Seriously, though, for a corporate environment, the plastic MB probably makes a lot of sense. For instance, nobody's going to steal it! (Kidding....)
 
Getting sick of this ****...

What the hell. Good on you Apple for dropping prices and bumping specs. I'm one of these folk who like the single non user-replaceable battery. It lasts twice as long and costs twice as much to replace - not a biggie for me, the extra couple of hours will be most useful.

However, New Zealand prices - WHAT THE HELL?

January 09 to Yesterday:
MBP 15": $1999 US / $3,699 NZ ($1 US to $~0.54 NZ)
MBP 17": $2799 US / $5,098 NZ ($1 US to $~0.54 NZ)
Lowest exchange rate through that period: $1 US to $0.49 NZ
Highest exchange rate through that period: $1 US to $0.65 NZ

Today after release:
MBP 15" Entry: $1699 US / $3,499 NZ ($1 US to $~0.48 NZ)
MBP 15" GT: $1999 US / $3,999 NZ ($1 US to $~0.50 NZ)
MBP 17" Entry: $2499 US / $4950 NZ ($1 US to $~0.50 NZ)
Current exchange rate: $1 US to $0.62 NZ

That makes no sense whatsoever. The exchange rate AND cost of shipping has improved since the original unibody release date. The USA costs are down, yet we've basically been shafted by $300 NZ over here. Even the entry MacBook white and 13" MacBook Pro are either up on price or unchanged, despite DROPS in the US prices.

I'm bitterly disappointed - I was waiting patiently because the exchange rate was good and was expecting a slight bump. But no, complete epic fail from Apple NZ.
 
You left out one category. I had an AVCHD video camera and taped my son's first months in 1080 including when he was very first born. Now, I can't use those DVDs in iMovie and can only view it on a BluRay player. This is why I was hoping it would be compatible, not to watch movies on. Unless you know of another way to use the footage?

AVCHD is one category. Thats a very small category. I'd like to find out how many people actually have this same issue or use that format. Like I said, the use of physical media is declining and Apple are not willing to put dated or dating media formats into their machines. OK, you use AVCHD and I'm guessing it's an 8cm disc... those discs are a dying breed of media format. Why would Apple invest in old dying formats? Even the much loved DVD/CD is going out the window... Look at the MacbookAir and netbooks. I don't know when the last time I put a disc into my MacBook. I would have liked a 3.5" floppy disc drive on my iMac as I have data on a few of those discs laying around from 2000 but I know that it's not going to happen.

Camcorders are also moving away from discs are using flash drives now, all of which are usb or at times firewire based... both of which the new 13" MacBook Pro upwards have accommodated.
 
BR is an expensive, cumbersome and stillborn technology that no one seems to care about, especially with high Internet speeds getting more and more accessible to everyone...BR for what? Backups? Come on, Apple is extremely wise to keep a good distance from that piece of crap.

Agreed. That BR / HDDVD war sure was profitable for Sony, wasn't it? :rolleyes: A BluRay player in every house and computer today right? :rolleyes: The picture may look better, but I still enjoy DVD quality and prices. Most everyone else does too. Let the Windows miscreants and Mac Pro users have their BluRay drives. I'll pass.

Meanwhile, I am very thrilled to see the changes to the new 13" MBP. I hope the RAM for these new models is easy to upgrade. :apple:
 
Nice update generally. I'm very pleased that to all intents and purposes Firewire is back. Add Blu-ray and I'd buy now.

I've had enough of people asking this question or mentioning it when comparing PC's to Macs. "It doesn't play Bluray"

Think about it carefully. What is the purpose of BD right now? It's mainly used to play 1080p movies on BD players and PS3's all of which needs 32"+ screens to take full advantage of the image quality. Why would you really need BD players on 13", 15" or 17"? If I wanted to take advantage of 1080p movies I'd watch them on my 42" LCD with surround sound and not on my 13" Unibody MacBook. If you want to use it to store data then the better and quicker option is to use USB memory sticks. It's really a no brainer.

The other reason for Apple to hold out on bringing BD to its machines is the inevitable. Everyone knows that physical media formats are on the decline. It's all about downloading your songs, your movies and your games. Look at how the market is moving... Apple, Microsoft and Sony all implementing downloadable music, movies and games into their devices.

So please stop the BD nonsense now. It's past becoming annoying.

Patronising much?!!

The resolution is a non-point, even though you're wrong there too and 1080p is obviously better than 480p or 576p on a screen with a resolution that is higher than a DVD's, and one that which you are typically viewing much nearer than you are a TV.

The main point is that if I have a nice growing collection of BDs, as I do, I want to be able to play them on the next mac I buy. It doesn't matter you coming up with flawed academic reasons why I don't want to do that when I do want to do that!!

Do you expect me to buy every film I buy TWICE just so I can watch it on either my big HDTV or my laptop? If so, please excuse me while I laugh. I will happily accept I'm wrong if you promise to send me DVDs of every Blu-ray I buy from now on, but I warn you it'll cost you a lot because I like movies.

Downloads, meh, I'll not get past 2Mbps where I live in this decade. And even if everyone did get super-fast connections tomorrow, the quality is not as good and it's locked to Apple on iTunes - and that is why we don't have a Blu-ray option in macs yet IMHO, pure selfish self-interest from Apple. There are still people buying CDs, so it's not realistic to call time on physical media just yet, come back when all audio downloads are lossless / actual CD quality and then we might see downloads killing Blu-ray in another 3 or 4 years after that. Certainly long after these machines are well past being current.

It wouldn't kill apple to licence Blu-ray and offer it as an option to people who aren't so blinkered to its current advantages. It's pure politics, promoting their iTunes downloads to the small fraction of people who can or want to use it at the cost of providing their customers with the best mass-distributed option for movies currently out there.
 
I do however, feel really bad for those folks who just bought a macbook. You paid more money for less. I know some friends that are going to be pissed. :cool:

Don't feel bad for us. It's all about perspective. I bought my 13" MacBook a couple of months ago, and I couldn't be any happier with it. Nothing that I normally do with my MacBook is going to be done that much faster with the new base processor, nor do I do anything that requires 8 GB of RAM, backlit keyboard, or the word 'Pro' at the bottom of the screen. Now, if I had to always have the latest and greatest, fastest, and sleekest machine on the market, I'd never be satisfied, as there's always something else on the way. And in the long run, $100 isn't that much money if you're content with what you have.
 
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