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OK, I just need to vent.
What the hell is this!?
Four years later all that Apple has to offer is new washed out colours and a USC-C port!?
If they came out with these two years ago, it would have been a let down, but not a big deal, but this is just wrong.
Sony 7506's are more expensive now, and haven't changed since the 90's.

You should not need to replace headphones every year or two when they work well enough already. Getting more than a couple of years from them between updates SHOULD be accepted as the norm.
No replaceable battery = nope! And can these dumb-dumb things even do lossless audio yet? The originals couldn't. What kind of headphone can't do zero-latency lossless? I'll stick with my nice headphones that have a swappable battery and can take a good ol' analogue connection.
They can do zero latency (24/48) lossless when wired. No-one does zero latency lossless over BT. And really what's the point when there is so much audio processing and enhancement going on anyhow.

It's a shame they cannot do "real" analogue audio, Which I personally think is a bit of a cop-out. With enough processing you can make a Potato sound half decent to the untrained ear (Like Bose). But it takes proper audio engineering to make a pair of cans sound good completely passively.

Apples target market for these is not Audiophiles, Producers or DJ's though it's the casual music consumer / gadget market who obviously have an attention span shorter than release schedules.

Adding USB-C is enough of a convenient improvement IMHO until they unveil a V2 model with significant enough differences to warrant an upgrade cycle.
 
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Still too expensive all things considered
Not just "still to expensive" - more expensive now, compared to the competition. They've gained features and improved, these haven't. These are four year old tech... Compare that to all the hardware updates that e.g. the Airpods pro have gotten, and which they talked about.
 
I’m hearing that they don’t. If no H2 chip, then I’m not sure why they bothered to make this refresh.
Because they had to if they still wanted to sell in Europe, due to regulations. At some date that also applies to selling existing models, not just launching new ones.

I need new ones - my Airpods Max are starting to act erratically. Are any headphones able to easily switch between three units?
 
Because they had to if they still wanted to sell in Europe, due to regulations. At some date that also applies to selling existing models, not just launching new ones.

I need new ones - my Airpods Max are starting to act erratically. Are any headphones able to easily switch between three units?
Okay that makes a bit more sense then. USB-C is now mandatory in the EU and they still want to sell these already outdated and overpriced headphones. I’m unsure why it’s hard for them to simply swap the chip from H1 to H2.

Could they be having issues with the H2 chip in the APM, who knows? Even if that is the case, they had plenty of time to fix it.
 
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You should not need to replace headphones every year or two when they work well enough already.
Nobody needs that and nobody is asking to make changes to the driver and audio quality, that's absolutely fine.

Yet Airpods are bought for the Apple tech like the Spatial Audio and what's pretty much the best transparency mode of any headphone. I have wired headphones for half the price that sound better and if I just need wireless and ANC I can get the popular Sony's for half the price. I own the Max though, I prefer them and I didn't mind the extra cost. Especially on prime day recently that was a decent deal.

Apple switching out the H1 for the H2 that all other Airpods have shouldn't be something to argue about as it merely brings the Max model up to date. H2 improves ANC and the Max have mediocre ANC - I know because I have them and use them daily. That on its own justifies updating the model... and Apple did update it, so it's infuriating they didn't bother to put a newer chip in that's 2 years old now.

We're not asking for anything cutting-edge that would be hard to achieve and costly for Apple to manufacture. Keep in mind the Max are the most expensive over-the-head bluetooth headphones on the market and aren't some budget option. The new USB-C ones aren't selling at prime day pricing either but at full Apple suggested pricing.

every year or two when they work well enough already.
Oh and by the way the Max have a factory defect where the flex cable connecting the two sides breaks after a few years. They all have that and especially if you turn the cups flat a lot (around the neck or using the included case) they'll die after a year or two. So they do not work well enough already by your own metrics either.

They can do zero latency (24/48) lossless when wired.
...if the USB-C ones even still have the wired mode. I presume they will but as that wired mode was never mentioned in specs I wouldn't be surprised if Apple quietly dropped it. Not that this would be an issue either as most people don't buy wireless headphones just to plug them in and the lightning cable was trash quality regardless. At least I haven't tried it out once and why would I need to?

As mentioned, audio quality is not an issue with the Max, there is no need for special wired or lossless modes. The limit is the closed back form factor, it's within the drivers and within the recording quality. There's no issue with bitrate or compression at least if you use them with Apple devices.

it's the casual music consumer / gadget market who obviously have an attention span shorter than release schedules.
Anyone I know who bought them as well as myself got them because they're the final headphone for a while. There is very little to complain about (as long as they don't break down). As such I am not interested in buying the USB-C ones even if they did have the H2 chip. But once mine break down again inevitably and for anyone buying their first pair Apple should offer an up-to-date model.

Adding USB-C is enough of a convenient improvement IMHO until they unveil a V2 model with significant enough differences to warrant an upgrade cycle.
USB-C is the bare minimum nowadays. Calling that an improvement is technically true but it's really just the bare minimum. Nobody releases new products now that have Lightning or micro USB. If anything, Apple's late to the USB-C party with the Max.

What are we waiting for then with the V2 model? What significant differences are you expecting? They only got the most comfortable headband on the market, the best replaceable magnetic cushions, a timeless design, the housing is of great quality, the sound quality leaves nothing to be desired either (it's really good for a closed back, people make comparisons to open back wired ones most of the time, closed back wired ones for the same money sound worse).

(Any changes to comfort/ergonomics would be subjective, for me the Max are the only headphones I can wear for 12+ hours nonstop without issues. So if they were to change that it wouldn't be an improvement.)

Are any headphones able to easily switch between three units?
Any that support bluetooth multi point, which is many but not all of them. It's actually better than what Apple did as Airpods are not truly multi point and need a moment to switch connections from one Apple device to the next. Even though it is usually automatic it's slower. Multi point headphones can switch instantly as they stay connected to all devices at once. Stay away from headphones that do not have that as it will be painful to connect them to the right device.
 
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Sony 7506's are more expensive now, and haven't changed since the 90's.

You should not need to replace headphones every year or two when they work well enough already. Getting more than a couple of years from them between updates SHOULD be accepted as the norm.

Adding USB-C is enough of a convenient improvement IMHO until they unveil a V2 model with significant enough differences to warrant an upgrade cycle.
You're speaking about a year or two, but it has almost beed four years since AirPods Max have been introduced and a pat on the back in the form of Toyota Camry colour schemes and a charging port is just sad.

We've grown accustomed to an upgrade cycle with most of Apple's products. The Max is a great headset, but with multiple flaws, that need to be addressed - gargantuan weight, the flimsy headband, ear cup connections that fail overtime and lack of parity between them and the much cheaper line of in-ear headphones.

I'm not complaining for the heck of it. It's a fact, that an expensive headset should at least be no worse than the in-ear ones.
 
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Nobody needs that and nobody is asking to make changes to the driver and audio quality, that's absolutely fine.

Yet Airpods are bought for the Apple tech like the Spatial Audio and what's pretty much the best transparency mode of any headphone. I have wired headphones for half the price that sound better and if I just need wireless and ANC I can get the popular Sony's for half the price. I own the Max though, I prefer them and I didn't mind the extra cost. Especially on prime day recently that was a decent deal.

Apple switching out the H1 for the H2 that all other Airpods have shouldn't be something to argue about as it merely brings the Max model up to date. H2 improves ANC and the Max have mediocre ANC - I know because I have them and use them daily. That on its own justifies updating the model... and Apple did update it, so it's infuriating they didn't bother to put a newer chip in that's 2 years old now.

We're not asking for anything cutting-edge that would be hard to achieve and costly for Apple to manufacture. Keep in mind the Max are the most expensive over-the-head bluetooth headphones on the market and aren't some budget option. The new USB-C ones aren't selling at prime day pricing either but at full Apple suggested pricing.


Oh and by the way the Max have a factory defect where the flex cable connecting the two sides breaks after a few years. They all have that and especially if you turn the cups flat a lot (around the neck or using the included case) they'll die after a year or two. So they do not work well enough already by your own metrics either.


...if the USB-C ones even still have the wired mode. I presume they will but as that wired mode was never mentioned in specs I wouldn't be surprised if Apple quietly dropped it. Not that this would be an issue either as most people don't buy wireless headphones just to plug them in and the lightning cable was trash quality regardless. At least I haven't tried it out once and why would I need to?

As mentioned, audio quality is not an issue with the Max, there is no need for special wired or lossless modes. The limit is the closed back form factor, it's within the drivers and within the recording quality. There's no issue with bitrate or compression at least if you use them with Apple devices.


Anyone I know who bought them as well as myself got them because they're the final headphone for a while. There is very little to complain about (as long as they don't break down). As such I am not interested in buying the USB-C ones even if they did have the H2 chip. But once mine break down again inevitably and for anyone buying their first pair Apple should offer an up-to-date model.


USB-C is the bare minimum nowadays. Calling that an improvement is technically true but it's really just the bare minimum. Nobody releases new products now that have Lightning or micro USB. If anything, Apple's late to the USB-C party with the Max.

What are we waiting for then with the V2 model? What significant differences are you expecting? They only got the most comfortable headband on the market, the best replaceable magnetic cushions, a timeless design, the housing is of great quality, the sound quality leaves nothing to be desired either (it's really good for a closed back, people make comparisons to open back wired ones most of the time, closed back wired ones for the same money sound worse).

(Any changes to comfort/ergonomics would be subjective, for me the Max are the only headphones I can wear for 12+ hours nonstop without issues. So if they were to change that it wouldn't be an improvement.)


Any that support bluetooth multi point, which is many but not all of them. It's actually better than what Apple did as Airpods are not truly multi point and need a moment to switch connections from one Apple device to the next. Even though it is usually automatic it's slower. Multi point headphones can switch instantly as they stay connected to all devices at once. Stay away from headphones that do not have that as it will be painful to connect them to the right device.

H2 improved ANC on the AirPods Pro gen 2. Which is now on par with AirPods Max.
It's a misunderstanding that the ANC of AirPods Pro gen 2 is better than the current Max, according to Apple.

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Ok I ordered - I can't wait any longer. If they release a new version next year, so be it
My take too, I've been waiting for about 6 months as my old headphones were dying badly. No H2 is not an issue, they'll still be the best set of headphones I've ever used.
 
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Seriously?! That’s all Apple has to offer us? A USB C port and new colors? No other updates and nothing new?!
No new chip, better noice cancelation, better sound and new features?

Shiat, this makes me glad I purchased refurbished AirPods Max from Best Buy in August and they literally are like new and only cost $349
I may do the same thing since Apple got lazy this cycle...
 
H2 improved ANC on the AirPods Pro gen 2. Which is now on par with AirPods Max.
I have both and the Pro 2 are better. It's related to the better seal that in-ears naturally provide as well for sure. In any case, the Max are merely above average with their ANC and the popular Sony's for half the price do better. Maybe it's because of the Sony's having bigger earcups, maybe Apple already did the best they could and their testing showed H2 wouldn't improve it. But:

Nonetheless, the Max are the most premium headphones of their kind out there right now and for what Apple charges for them and how they advertise them, they should have the best ANC on the market, period. And even if H2 wouldn't change the ANC then at the very least it would enable the adaptive ANC mode that the Pro 2 have.

So that's clearly a feature that's simply missing and a drop-in replacement of the H1 for the H2 would have fixed that without requiring any redesign. At $549 that Apple asks for the latest ones there is just no excuse. The situation with these is so absurd that I would recommend everybody to save 100 bucks minimum (on deals like prime day even more) and get the lightning version. Exact same thing and saves a good chunk of money. The exact same headphone in a different color and USB-C isn't worth a $100-$150 premium.
 
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This is Tim Cook's Apple, guys. People like me have been saying this for a decade, now. He's a supply-chain guy, first and foremost, and as CEO he's beholden to "shareholders". From both perspectives, he's going to be as lazy as possible, only amending SKUs when they run out of current inventory. He doesn't care about doing the right thing, he only cares about the money.
Steve Jobs on product
 
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