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Apple Updates Final Cut Pro X with 2013 Mac Pro Compatibility, 4K Content

- Used media indicators on source clips

If this is the feature that (in iMovie) marked all the clips you've used in a project, then thank you for listening, Apple.

There are certain types of low level project which you crash edit quickly and seeing at a glance which clips you've already thrown in there is a great time saver.
 
mw360 said:
That ground-up rewrite not looking like such a bad idea now...
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People act as if it was optional. When Apple abandoned its carbon development environment it had no choice but to rewrite the whole app.
 
I'll be happy as long as the bugs that were in the previous version are fixed.
 
jayducharme said:
I really like FCPX except for just one big issue: file management. I teach video editing, and students need to work on their projects outside of class in an open lab. Moving their projects from one machine to another is a nightmare. (We don't have an X San, so network editing is out.) I sent feedback to Apple asking them to make an option as they have in Logic X to package the project into a single file, which would allow for greater portability. I used to have beginning students use iMovie for just that reason, but the new iMovie now uses the same file system as FCPX. *sigh*
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Have you concidered creating a DMG for each project and then using that to move or copy to another location, just close the DMG then reopen it on another system, FCPX will just think it is an external HD, just a thought, it may not be what you want but I thought I would mention just in case it helped.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Question that occurred to me when I realized FCP wasn't supporting 4K until now:

1 - How have people been editing 4K video prior to now?
2 - How are people editing IMAX video, even now?

My understanding was that most professional video was edited in either FCP or Premiere... Is there other, special software just for editing IMAX, for example?
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You don't edit at Full res most of the time. You edit proxy media say at 1080p. which you can scrub and play at full speed. Then when it's complete you swap out the proxies ( fairly simple ) with the full res to create your 4K+ files.

To edit at full speed before you need an 'ironic' PCIe card such as Red Rocket. $4,750 alone...


but even now the Red Epic Dragon Video is actually 6K res! and Re make a PCIe Card called the Rocket-X ( $6,750.00 ) to deal with that - but still 'only' outputs at 4K ( those pesky 8K screens are still $100,000 :) )

Premiere Allows 6K Dragon Editing natively.

You can import an edit native 4K and 6k files with a free RED plug in for FCPx

http://www.red.com/learn/workflow/red-apple-workflow-final-cut-pro-x

So we need to see some testing to see if the new mac pro will edit 4k/6k files without the need for a Rocket. My guess is yes.
 
jayducharme said:
I really like FCPX except for just one big issue: file management. I teach video editing, and students need to work on their projects outside of class in an open lab. Moving their projects from one machine to another is a nightmare. (We don't have an X San, so network editing is out.) I sent feedback to Apple asking them to make an option as they have in Logic X to package the project into a single file, which would allow for greater portability. I used to have beginning students use iMovie for just that reason, but the new iMovie now uses the same file system as FCPX. *sigh*
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I understand you frustration... but how is this hard? Actually much easier than Premiere for complete files - rendered files etc.

http://help.apple.com/finalcutpro/mac/10.0.6/#verb8e5fcf4
 
Awesome - this looks like it's not just an incremental update, but major additions in there. It's not quite everything for everybody, but it shows Apple moving apace...

Now.

Time for Aperture X. Seriously.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Question that occurred to me when I realized FCP wasn't supporting 4K until now:

1 - How have people been editing 4K video prior to now?
2 - How are people editing IMAX video, even now?

My understanding was that most professional video was edited in either FCP or Premiere... Is there other, special software just for editing IMAX, for example?
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Long story short: You edit using down res'd versions (called Proxy Files) which are swapped out with full res 4K when the project is finished. That you can edit the 4K directly is a huge bonus and time saver.
 
Fix it

Why bother trying to fix something that's junk? and imovie has more.

Look back at FCP7 and see why people liked it and still use it, unless you have switched to sony V or Prem.

Put all the features that are in FCP7 and I might consider moving to X.
Ow and however came up with the idea that out can't open old projects
needs to come in to the real world, it shouldn't have to be left to third party software.

FCP was once a great product
 
Network blind?

We edit over gigabit ethernet here, and it works amazingly well, even with ProRes projects.

Can any FCPX users tell me if 10.1 is still network blind? (Unable to work with Projects, Events, or now Libraries) over SMB or AFP (or even SMB2)?

We are very keen to adopt FCPX as an organisation but not being able to have shared storage (that is not an Xsan nightmare) is a show stopper at the moment.
 
kap91 said:
Generally on a project of any decent scale you'll edit with"offline" lower res/lower bitrate material and then when finished relink to the higher quality material ---usually in a different program designed for finishing.

Most feature films you see in theaters and nearly all TV Shows are still edited with Avid's Media Composer with the occasional one being edited with FCP7. And they'll be dragged away from it only if necessary and kicking and screaming all the way. Only smaller independent filmmakers are really using premiere or FCPX at the moment - and there's not that many of them. In the commercial/corporate/educational/broadcast sector you would be closer to right as premiere and fcpx have been picking up a lot of steam there. However the need to work with 4K industry wide has really been nonexistent (other than needing a way to convert camera originals to "offline" - res---usually just plain HD and color grading/finishing software used in the relink process. Although now every major NLE supports 4K in some fashion we're still a few years out before it'll really be all that useful considering the lack of ways to see it - and even then most professionals will still elect to use an offline workflow to save on hard drive space and system overhead.

Hope that answers your question.

EDIT: seems like there's a bit of confusion on the other apps out there

For Visual Effects and compositing you'd see both after effects and Nuke being used at the professional level - though nuke is definitely more advanced. While theoretically possible in practical terms you'd never actual edit with them. There's also a few other applications used for this purpose such as Autodesk's Flame. 3d Modeling for VFX would likely be done in Maya though there's others as well

While were at it I mentioned software you use for the final relink or "conform" and color grading/finishing. The most commonly used ones are Da Vinci Resolve, Scratch, Lustre, and Baselight with Apple Color (RIP) and Adobe's Speedgrade being used here and there.
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As far as "editing" goes, which most of you are referring to in the sense of just cutting the footage, you'd be surprised to find out that many motion pictures are still cut on Avid. With the power of the new Mac Pro and FCPX though, television shows, and motion pictures are slowly adopting the new work flow.

It's just like the film vs digital debate. Who's is going to be willing to be different than the past for the sake of saving time and money while still producing a great product.

People who say FCPX isn't for pro's, haven't actually used FCPX, and aren't willing to adapt their workflow.

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Francis-Greaves said:
Why bother trying to fix something that's junk? and imovie has more.

Look back at FCP7 and see why people liked it and still use it, unless you have switched to sony V or Prem.

Put all the features that are in FCP7 and I might consider moving to X.
Ow and however came up with the idea that out can't open old projects
needs to come in to the real world, it shouldn't have to be left to third party software.

FCP was once a great product
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Tell me what what features you use on a regular basis in FCP7 that aren't in FCPX???
 
I'm surprised this didn't get a main column page placement. Far sillier things have gotten the spotlight.
 
Francis-Greaves said:
Why bother trying to fix something that's junk? and imovie has more.

Look back at FCP7 and see why people liked it and still use it, unless you have switched to sony V or Prem.

Put all the features that are in FCP7 and I might consider moving to X.
Ow and however came up with the idea that out can't open old projects
needs to come in to the real world, it shouldn't have to be left to third party software.

FCP was once a great product
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Dude, it's not June 2011 anymore.
 
From what I have heard from some
Buddies who are really intro professionel video
Editing (working on Hollywood movies) is that with the update
To FCPx Apple basically scared their whole
Pro users away from final cut.

But who knows
 
Great performance improvement on 10.1 - I can now multicam edit 4 streams of 1080p50 AVCHD with colour correction on each stream without any noticeable stuttering - fantastic!!! (no more proxies for me)
 
Jared Strike said:
As I mentioned over at AppleInsider, where's the CinemaDNG RAW support? :confused:
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Most people shooting RAW will do a basic pass on color grading in Resolv, SpeedGrade, etc. and output a ProRes file for editing in FCPX. I am not sure there is a big call for RAW in FCPX without much better tools for color correcting.
 
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jayducharme said:
I really like FCPX except for just one big issue: file management. I teach video editing, and students need to work on their projects outside of class in an open lab. Moving their projects from one machine to another is a nightmare. (We don't have an X San, so network editing is out.) I sent feedback to Apple asking them to make an option as they have in Logic X to package the project into a single file, which would allow for greater portability. I used to have beginning students use iMovie for just that reason, but the new iMovie now uses the same file system as FCPX. *sigh*
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I've heard you can use disk image files (dmg) to transfer files between computers. Not sure how well it works but you could give it a try. It seemed pretty straight forward when I read about the process.

Edit: Another feature i was not aware of "Duplicate Project" allowing you to transfer to removable media and import into another computer. When transferring project from removable storage use "Move Project' to import it on new computer.
 
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ArtOfWarfare said:
Question that occurred to me when I realized FCP wasn't supporting 4K until now:

1 - How have people been editing 4K video prior to now?
2 - How are people editing IMAX video, even now?

My understanding was that most professional video was edited in either FCP or Premiere... Is there other, special software just for editing IMAX, for example?
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Easy: edit in final cut 7 or avid with low res files aka offline editing, them move to a color grading suite like assimilate scratch or Davinci resolve and replace your material with the 4k files. This just now may take away the pain of rendering proxy low res files before editing.
 
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