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Apple Updates iMac Lineup With Up to 8-Core 9th-Gen Intel Processors and Radeon Pro Vega Graphics Options
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So it’s quite stupid for Apple to put anything else than i3 inside a mac with spinner only.
Back then, the bezel was one of thinnest. Now it’s the thickest.
I can think of nothing other than the HDD,
other than the webcam, the rear panel IO ports, the power supply, the thermal management, the stand hinge.
But why would they replace the space used by a 2.5" SATA disk with a higher capacity power supply? Why would they spend time figuring out how to get 400w of heat from the inside of a sheet of aluminum to outside? These aren't tough problems.
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OK. So you're gonna reach up and scroll (?) but then reach back down and grab your mouse or trackpad to move the cursor around to click on a button? That doesn't make much sense. So now you're tapping buttons with your finger -- only they're gonna have to get bigger because your finger is a lot bigger than a cursor.... See where I'm going with this?
There's already a great device for on-screen drawing (iPad Pro). But on a desktop computer, zooming, scrolling and a host of other gestures are handled quite elegantly with a trackpad without having to put your hands up onto the screen.
This is what you call a new product? Seems more like a spec bump to a 20-year old product to me.
New products would be AirPods, Apple Watch and HomePod. Those are the amazing and innovative new products we’ve seen under Tim Cook, so far. There’s no reason to think his future product introductions will be any less mind blowing, is there?
Until I can afford the storage and ram costs of a new one.
It may be some time.
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Another easy solution would be for Apple to be less greedy.
Hello all. Until recently, I owned iMac 27 Late 2013 512ssd, 32ram 780m from the year of its release. I used it for the video editing (until I had to work with HEVC, cpu doesn't understand it), photos and, sometimes, videogames. A few weeks ago, I sold it at a good price price hoping that Apple would finally launch a computer with a qualitative leap forward and I could almost seamlessly upgrade to a new computer that would perfectly serve me like previous at least another 5-6 years.
But what do I see now?
Yes, I'll get a beautiful P3 Retina display 5K. Which from the very beginning demanded powerful graphics, and over the course of 2014, the graphics went up smoothly. And what do they offer from today? Radeon 580X, which is just overclocked version of Radeon 580 from 2017. Not top, okay. Vega 48 is in the top? Which has yet to be studied, but judging by the preliminary data, this video card is not far from 580 (about 10-15% increase in power) and is 30% lagging behind Vega 56, which cannot be called new either. Seriously?! At the output, I get graphics performance at the level of my 2013, due to 4 times less resolution.
I will get a new CPU that will work with HEVC and thats really good, but it is not known how the situation with overheating, because Apple did not make any changes to the cooling system. I understand that it is not always necessary to change the design of the appearance (I personally do not care), but Apple is a company producing computer equipment, do not they really need to upgrade the inside of the computer? 2 years to think about the new processor and graphics, that are marking time? this is a joke?
This hit parade ends with the same problem that I encountered in 2013: at first I didn’t pay attention, but for some reason only the 1-st generation Thunderbolt was installed in the iMac, although the 2-nd generation already existed and was installed in the Macbook Pro 2013. And now history repeats itself: already outdated I/O. Yes, there is modern TB3, but only 2? When in the MacMini 2018 we have 4? And 4 USB 3.1, which not only are no Type-C. Are they not even Gen-2 speed, but Gen-1! I basically do not want to pay for a computer with outdated I/O
I am very disappointed and, frankly, I don’t know how I’ll wait for a major update... how much? Six months or a year? Maybe two? Of course, I have foreseen such a situation just in case, and I have a temporary replacement in the form of 21.5" 2017, but this is not serious in the long run..
But what do I see now?
Yes, I'll get a beautiful P3 Retina display 5K. Which from the very beginning demanded powerful graphics, and over the course of 2014, the graphics went up smoothly. And what do they offer from today? Radeon 580X, which is just overclocked version of Radeon 580 from 2017. Not top, okay. Vega 48 is in the top? Which has yet to be studied, but judging by the preliminary data, this video card is not far from 580 (about 10-15% increase in power) and is 30% lagging behind Vega 56, which cannot be called new either. Seriously?! At the output, I get graphics performance at the level of my 2013, due to 4 times less resolution.
I will get a new CPU that will work with HEVC and thats really good, but it is not known how the situation with overheating, because Apple did not make any changes to the cooling system. I understand that it is not always necessary to change the design of the appearance (I personally do not care), but Apple is a company producing computer equipment, do not they really need to upgrade the inside of the computer? 2 years to think about the new processor and graphics, that are marking time? this is a joke?
This hit parade ends with the same problem that I encountered in 2013: at first I didn’t pay attention, but for some reason only the 1-st generation Thunderbolt was installed in the iMac, although the 2-nd generation already existed and was installed in the Macbook Pro 2013. And now history repeats itself: already outdated I/O. Yes, there is modern TB3, but only 2? When in the MacMini 2018 we have 4? And 4 USB 3.1, which not only are no Type-C. Are they not even Gen-2 speed, but Gen-1! I basically do not want to pay for a computer with outdated I/O
I am very disappointed and, frankly, I don’t know how I’ll wait for a major update... how much? Six months or a year? Maybe two?
Of course, I have foreseen such a situation just in case, and I have a temporary replacement in the form of 21.5" 2017, but this is not serious in the long run..
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They had the fastest SSD in the industry 4 to 5 years ago. Now, they don’t have that. Samsung SSD’s are now comparable in performance.
Also, if you want an SSD, you have to special order so not only do you have to wait for it, there is no chance of finding deals.
The Surface Studio is a specialty product, it's for drawing directly on the screen. Like a Wacom Cintiq. I totally agree with you that it's not a traditional computer setup for browsing, word processing, but more like animators, film studios, comic artists, etc. However, there is a market for that, no matter how niche it might be. It's not a mainstream device. So I was wrong calling it an iMac competitor. My mistake.
It's a shame that the SSD has to be a special order with a long wait time. Tim should be embarrassed.
True, you can buy a Samsung SSD that is as fast as Apple's but if you buy a typical Surface or Dell XPS product, chances are that the SSD will be 2-5x slower. If it's upgradable, you can try to replace it, like I could do in a 15" Dell XPS, but not in a Surface product. Microsoft ultrabooks come with a painfully slow SSD. It's still much better than a rotating magnet, though.
What I mean is that Apple could sell the base model with a much slower SSD, they would still be fast enough.
You mean to tell me that all this is still a bunch of old tech! Come on TIM, ya looser! Yes, I am upset too. I am so tor between needing to buy one versus build one. Ready to pull out my hair, I like another gal that was in a different post, I want one that "just works" again.
I get this is an update of what already was but why wait for two years to do that? The entire thing needs new. I want stuff that will work with tomorrows tech not yesterdays.
I get this is an update of what already was but why wait for two years to do that? The entire thing needs new. I want stuff that will work with tomorrows tech not yesterdays.
Just saying Surface Studio: you still can do the same things on both machines (using cross platform or different software) so it can be an iMac competitor and fit in the niche creative market too.
I wish Apple would make an iMac that I could draw on along with everything else I do.
Sure, for visual arts and applications like that, agree 100% that a (more horizonally oriented) touch screen could be super useful. But I think Apple has made a pretty clear distinction between cursor-based and touch-based OSes, and the iPad Pro is Apple's answer to the Surface Studio.
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Pretty sure Apple considers the iPad Pro to be that exact machine. They could do a LOT more to make it more flexible (real file system in the OS) and powerful (external storage, etc) but I think it's 1000% more likely you'll see a beefed up iPad Pro before you see a touch iMac.
For a week, I thought about buying this. I configured iMac with i9 and Vega graphic, came out to about $3500 with tax and Apple Care. The monitor is very nice 5K. Although you can't buy a 5K monitor without paying $1000+, unless you really need the 5K monitor for some reason, 4K can be had for less than $400. And Apple removed a feature that made the iMac functioning as an external monitor.
It's really hard for me to pay $3500 for a computer that wasn't updated for 10 years design-wise and has since only been minimally updated component-wise. I'm sure they brilliantly designed their internal cooling system a decade ago and it will probably last longer. But I have a feeling that they will soon update their design/engineering of iMac when they move to ARM-based chip next year (or a year after that... or who knows when considering their lack of interest in the computer.) Then, my $3500 iMac will suddenly feel like a decade old machine.
I ended up buying iBuyPower PC from Costco for $1400. Some of the reviews from Amazon says they don't use quality parts. But Costco will provide 4 years warranty, so at least I'm good for 4 years. I hope Apple gets its acts together and update its iMac in 4 years.
It's really hard for me to pay $3500 for a computer that wasn't updated for 10 years design-wise and has since only been minimally updated component-wise. I'm sure they brilliantly designed their internal cooling system a decade ago and it will probably last longer. But I have a feeling that they will soon update their design/engineering of iMac when they move to ARM-based chip next year (or a year after that... or who knows when considering their lack of interest in the computer.) Then, my $3500 iMac will suddenly feel like a decade old machine.
I ended up buying iBuyPower PC from Costco for $1400. Some of the reviews from Amazon says they don't use quality parts. But Costco will provide 4 years warranty, so at least I'm good for 4 years. I hope Apple gets its acts together and update its iMac in 4 years.
Um. That was a TERRIBLE move. Oh I hear you about buying an iMac now. But buying a cheap PC is just pissing money away. At least if you bought a quality PC, you could resell it later. But you will definitely lose money on a iBuyPower PC.
Thanks for the reply.
I'm still considering returning this and buying an iMac (I hasn't been delivered yet, so I can just refuse to accept it). But I don't think iBuyPower PC is a terrible decision. At least not with Costco 4 years warranty. I did not ever sell my computer. I either gave them away and threw away if no one wanted it. So resale value doesn't affect me. Also, if Apple redesigns the iMac next year, current decade-old iMac resale value will tank anyway.
Maybe a lower-end 27in iMac is a better option. Get one for cheap for the 5K monitor with usable internal. I can use it until it's redesigned and give it to one of my relatives when the iMac is redesigned.
I don’t give a crap what the iMac body looks like. What Apple really isn’t a new fashion statement, but a usable mouse and keyboard.
I had mine for 6 years (started with the 2011 27" iMac). Worked great, and finally just wanted something better. So long as specs isn't an issue, you should be able to hang on to it for 6-7 years at least.
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An imac with such a feature is going to jack up the price significantly, and be such a niche product category that it will likely not sell enough quantities to justify the R&D.
If it's art you want, you can consider the 12.9" iPad Pro. Even the guy from Penny Arcade is using it for his work.