Any imac with spinner and without fusion drive is slower than any mac with ssd or fusion drive.
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Apple Updates iMac Lineup With Up to 8-Core 9th-Gen Intel Processors and Radeon Pro Vega Graphics Options
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The $400 add for the i9 is the same as jumping from 32 to 64 Gb if ram. Don’t you think I would be better off?
Easy solution: Upgrade the ram and storage after purchase. The ram is a cinch, and upgrading the sata hdd to an ssd is not all that hard, using the ifixit guide and tools.
Finally, an upgrade. A little too late for me, though, as I got tired of waiting for the new models to replace my Mid-2010 iMac and bought Intel NUC Hades Canyon (running Win10 Pro) and a 27" Dell USB-C monitor (1440p). I had my doubts but I gotta say I don't miss one single thing about an iMac or even OS X. Not in terms of performance. Not in terms of footprint. Not in terms of noise levels. Not in terms of easy UI with a dark mode. While I get that the 27" 5K display the iMac has is a good deal, my setup cost a thousand bucks less and I spared no expense in choosing the parts.
Now that I look at the new iMac models which I could still be waiting for had I not taken a leap of faith... I'm glad I did not wait. They did not upgrade the design (not even a space gray option) and even the top-of-the-line 27-incher still comes with a mechanical drive (which Fusion Drive mostly is). Unforgivable at those prices. Yes, I know Apple probably justifies this by assuming an iMac user needs a lot of storage space. Still, I would be willing to bet that most of the iMac customers would prefer a 512Gt SSD to even a 2TB Fusion Drive let alone a 1TB Fusion drive. I know I would.
I am interested in reading the reviews when they come in... Am especially interested in if there are any issues with T2 chip, temps/throttling and the state of GPU drivers in Bootcamp (as many have resorted to using unofficial 3rd party drivers because Apple doesn't exactly update their own drivers for the benefit of those who need Windows to run most Steam games).
Now that I look at the new iMac models which I could still be waiting for had I not taken a leap of faith... I'm glad I did not wait. They did not upgrade the design (not even a space gray option) and even the top-of-the-line 27-incher still comes with a mechanical drive (which Fusion Drive mostly is). Unforgivable at those prices. Yes, I know Apple probably justifies this by assuming an iMac user needs a lot of storage space. Still, I would be willing to bet that most of the iMac customers would prefer a 512Gt SSD to even a 2TB Fusion Drive let alone a 1TB Fusion drive. I know I would.
I am interested in reading the reviews when they come in... Am especially interested in if there are any issues with T2 chip, temps/throttling and the state of GPU drivers in Bootcamp (as many have resorted to using unofficial 3rd party drivers because Apple doesn't exactly update their own drivers for the benefit of those who need Windows to run most Steam games).
Indeed. A $200 32GB SODIMM kit on the internet will bring the machine to 40GB with little fussing.
Rather than opening the chassis, I opted for the small 512GB SSD (+$300 option) and will be adding another 4TB drive to my NAS. With the work I do (LogicX), I need a fair amount of fast local storage, and require a lot of big dumb slow storage. I'm content with having the latter residing externally.
Apple has become a complete hoax of a company.
This is how Apple is announcing the new iMac in its own website.
Pretty. Freaking powerful.?????
https://www.apple.com/mac/
How can you call "powerful" a computer that ships with 8GB RAM, Bluetooth 4.2, only 2 USB-C and a 5400 RPM drive in 2019???
And they still have the same 10 years old external design that cannot even be adjusted vertically.
Is this the great line of product Cook has been talking about?
This week Apple confirmed how little they care about innovation.
I guess the can't innovate my a$$ has become reality.
This is how Apple is announcing the new iMac in its own website.
Pretty. Freaking powerful.?????
https://www.apple.com/mac/
How can you call "powerful" a computer that ships with 8GB RAM, Bluetooth 4.2, only 2 USB-C and a 5400 RPM drive in 2019???
And they still have the same 10 years old external design that cannot even be adjusted vertically.
Is this the great line of product Cook has been talking about?
This week Apple confirmed how little they care about innovation.
I guess the can't innovate my a$$ has become reality.
What I don't really see now is the point of the base iMac Pro.
$4999 for 8-core Xeon (3.2Ghz/4.2 turbo), 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Vega 56
vs
$3649 for 8-core i9 (3.6Ghz/5.0 turbo), 8GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Vega 48 option
(Add $200 for +32GB RAM = 40GB Total for $3849 total)
Or, if you don't care much about the GPU, how about upgrading the mid-model:
$3199 for 8-core i9 (3.6Ghz/5.0 turbo), 8GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Radeon 575X
(Add $200 for +32GB RAM = 40GB Total for $3399 total)
The latter is a saving of $1600 over the iMac Pro price - for a similar processor (less well cooled?) and less GPU.
But that $1600 can buy a very good eGPU solution if you need it.
And if you only need a fast SSD boot drive, choose:
$2599 for 8-core i9 (3.6Ghz/5.0 turbo), 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, Radeon 575X
Leaving $2400 to spend on eGPU, external storage, and RAM, etc
$4999 for 8-core Xeon (3.2Ghz/4.2 turbo), 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Vega 56
vs
$3649 for 8-core i9 (3.6Ghz/5.0 turbo), 8GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Vega 48 option
(Add $200 for +32GB RAM = 40GB Total for $3849 total)
Or, if you don't care much about the GPU, how about upgrading the mid-model:
$3199 for 8-core i9 (3.6Ghz/5.0 turbo), 8GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Radeon 575X
(Add $200 for +32GB RAM = 40GB Total for $3399 total)
The latter is a saving of $1600 over the iMac Pro price - for a similar processor (less well cooled?) and less GPU.
But that $1600 can buy a very good eGPU solution if you need it.
And if you only need a fast SSD boot drive, choose:
$2599 for 8-core i9 (3.6Ghz/5.0 turbo), 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, Radeon 575X
Leaving $2400 to spend on eGPU, external storage, and RAM, etc
So many people were up in arms over the lack of attention on their non iOS product line, including ridicule from large tech sites, industry experts/reviewers and bloggers. So Apple figured "Do some quick updates to shut them all up". So that's what we have. With the iMacs, the Mac mini, and iPads from a few days ago. Innovation? No. Better value? No. Something to hopefully shut everyone up? Yes.
That's my read on things. The new Apple......
That's my read on things. The new Apple......
I'm not sure I understand the aversion to change. The iMac while iconic, is not perfect by any means. The original iMac wasn't but has evolved over the decades to where it is today. What's wrong with continuing to innovate and improving?
I don't think any one is suggesting to throw the baby out with the bath water. And refining an already proven design should not be viewed as blasphomous or wrong. Would you have preferred the original scroll iPod, iPhone or Apple Watch to never have evolved?
I don't think any one is suggesting to throw the baby out with the bath water. And refining an already proven design should not be viewed as blasphomous or wrong. Would you have preferred the original scroll iPod, iPhone or Apple Watch to never have evolved?
Wow, the iMac that Apple could have shipped last summer is finally making an appearance 
And hey, look at those storage options...
A 1TB HD was standard on the 27" model back in 2009.
Fast forward an entire decade and it's still a 1TB HD (albeit with a tiny scrap of SSD on the side now).
And hey, look at those storage options...
A 1TB HD was standard on the 27" model back in 2009.
Fast forward an entire decade and it's still a 1TB HD (albeit with a tiny scrap of SSD on the side now).
I totally understand your decision and feelings. I bought a 2017 5K iMac for home and the imacpro for work. Both will be my last Apple computers unless a miracle will happen. The Apple computer never came out cheap but at least the benefits it gave you justified the difference. No more. It’s actually more of an handicap to be in the Apple eco than it gives you benefits. Those benefits some users are applauding Apple for are based on the past. Today they’re completely overhauled by competition in respects of hard- and software. Not only that but über priced as well.
Maybe the average user buying Apple don’t but I need value for money to do work/run my business. Apple since 2012 doesn’t care.
As for their services. Most of them don’t work or are half baked when living outside the USA. No Apple Pay here nor HomePod. Unreliable maps, messages which the majority doesn’t use and the list goes on and on.
I’ve been an vivid Apple user since 1989 and am slowly but steadily getting out of that ecotrap. AppleTV was first to quit, iPhone will follow.
If this were Reddit, I'd be giving a medal for this.
I am a consumer that likes Macs. I do not need a fancy-pants SSD that puts the computers out of my value range. Not my "price range", but they cost more than the value to me.
They could offer m.2 sata ssd to consumers if they really care about us and in that place, they could put beefier cooling system. Is it really that hard? This sucks, Apple's actions in recent years really irritate me. This greediness should end.
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Good point. One refinement I await in particular, is that a new iMac design be such that it can be easily opened for cleaning dust out of the vent openings and fan(s). Easy doesn't mean: tape cutting, reinstalling of tape, etc. Easy means: three or four screws and a hinged display. If I can imagine it, surely Apple engineers can. Until this change is made, the iMac is not for me. Meanwhile, I will happily stick with my 6,1 Pro, and the easy cleaning it provides.
Hes not talking about putting a ‘fancy pants’ ssd in there, just shipping it with a garden variety 2.5 inch sata ssd in place of the spinning drive.
Those ssds would be a massive improvement and they’re not expensive anymore.
That’s what he means!
He’s agreeing with my post. He’s talking about apple putting in fancy pants SSDS.
You got me.That’s what he means!
It's painful, but we have to wait until it starts shipping. Performance will depend on the thermals. I certainly hope that the i9 won't throttle after 2 seconds, but it might. It would be really sad, but it has happened with the MacBook Pro, and the Mac mini doesn't perform as well as those CPUs should in a bigger case.
I was pretty underwhelmed by these new updates. I noticed the price of the Apple refurbs went down by almost $100. I ordered a 3.8 I5 27 inch to replace my 2012 Macbook Pro (albeit upgraded with a SSD drive many years ago). Saved over $400 compared to buying an equivalent new iMac.
The new one will last me at least another 7 years given my usage profile. I don’t do gaming and such, so I’m expecting this to be way more machine than I need.
The new one will last me at least another 7 years given my usage profile. I don’t do gaming and such, so I’m expecting this to be way more machine than I need.
The base model should have plain old SATA SSDs. I don't understand Apple, we can only choose between 5400 RPM rotating rust, and the fastest RAID0 NMVe SSD in the industry. How about something in between? A $100 2.5" SATA drive maybe. It would be 10x faster than the magnetic drive, and more than fast enough for the majority of the users. It's the same philosophy when iPhones shipped with 16GB of storage. Upgrade or suffer big time man!! The problem is they're selling hardware that was completely outdated 5-8 years ago. What a waste! Personally I think if you can't afford to upgrade to SSD you can't afford the computer, as simple as that. No one should get the base model, it'll be slower than a 10-year-old machine.