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Apple Updates iTunes to 7.4.2
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lol WOW. Where in Boston are ya at? Used to live in Boston, South End, almost ten years ago (wow, that makes me a little sad, time flies lol).
You are wrong iPhone breath!
As I posted earlier, the 7.4.2 update fixed the problem where the iPod Classic software could not be updated from 1.0 to 1.01
What's new in this version:
Addresses an issue with creating ringtones using iTunes Plus song purchases and includes bug fixes to improve stability and performance.
I want to know about the other bug fixes - I mentioned one which improved the functionality of my iPod Classic. What else is there?
Agreed. However, at the time I purchased my iPhone (before ringtones) there was no official word on ringtone capability. So, of course owners would find a way to make use of their own ringtones. It wasn't until Apple announced owners had to pay another $.99 that people became irate.
So, in this instance there wasn't much to research and it is fair to assume people got shafted (just a weeeee bit).
Ok, fine, fair enough.
But let me ask: did it occur to anyone prior to or at the time of purchase to ask about ringtone customizability? I would think if I were going to spend that kind of money on a phone I'd want to fully understand all of it's capabilities.
Then, either I would have said "Yes, I want this" or "No, I don't want this." Frankly, it's as simple as that.
My current phone, for example, is a Samsung M610. It supports custom digitized ringtones, but you either have to buy them or move heaven and earth to get your own stuff on there. However, I also only paid something in the viscinity of about $60 after the deal on signing up for a new contract, and as this is one tenth as much as most of you folks spent on your phones, I don't really feel all that bad about it.
Besides, my phone has actual speech recognition on it, and it has (although it's only 2GB at a time) removable flash media storage (microSD, to be specific). Does yours?
Besides, WiFi on a phone? It's nice, but the only time I have any real access to WiFi, I also more-or-less by definition have direct access to my own computer(s), so really, what's the point?
Ok, so you obviously have a beef with the iPhone, I'm not going to defend it. I like it. I had a RAZR on Verizon and then Cingular, and Cingular allowed full ObEx support to download/upload pics and ringtones. The iPhone doesn't, but as you know it has a lot more than the RAZR or the Samsung phone you currently own. There's no dispute about that.
As for asking about ringtones, of course I did (and many others). However, as most Apple owners know, Apple takes the stance of "We don't know" on any product unless it has been officially announced. I bought my phone back in the city where my friend happens to be a general manager of the Apple SoHo store, even he couldn't tell me about ringtones. No one could. It could have gone either way, however I do not believe most people thought Apple would charge the same price for a 30-second clip of a song that is already owned. Regardless, there was no way to make any certain assumption about future information on the iPhone nor was information given regarding ringtone functionality. At the time of purchase, it would have been reasonable to assume there would be free ringtone's for songs already owned, or at least the ability to make you own and download them at will. This is the case for my Cingular/ATT RAZR and other bluetooth ObEx phones on Att's network.
It seems like you really have a problem with the iPhone and people who own it. Why? If you don't like the comments, just move on and read another thread. As most people have stated on this topic, the main issue with update 7.4.2 was the elimination of custom ringtones. If that topic bothers, I'm sorry, but criticizing people for purchasing the iPhone and discussing it online is pointless.
Exactly, and since no statements were made to indicate the possibility, you can have no reasonable reliance. The default assumption is "no, that features does not exist" unless there is evidence given to the contrary.
I'm not disagreeing with the substance of your post, but merely illustrating the danger of unfounded assumption. You can't buy a product with the thought that "maybe one day it will do more than it does right now" and rely on that purely on internal belief.
To do so would invite nothing but disappointment. Business is a game of minimums.
Not really, no.
You certainly can use your own ringtones if you can get them to the phone. That much is clear and remains true. You can reasonably expect that if you put a file of a supported file type in the appropriate directory, you can use it as a ringtone. You can't extrapolate from there anything further--particularly since it doesn't support OBEX and doesn't have any kind of file browser, and that any custom ringtone service from a company would tend not to be free.
Um, sorry, no. As a Cingular customer before the iPhone, my RAZR had ObEx that Cingular/ATT did NOT cripple, and they fully allowed the use of free (yes, FREE) custom ringtones. Also, when asked, no one at Apple knew if the bluetooth ObEx on the iPhone was crippled, nor did they know if there would be any ringtone option in the future. As the phone had Bluetooth, it's a fair assumption to make that ObEx may be enabled at the time of purchase. FAIR assumption. Further, it COULD have gone EITHER WAY, as no official decision for or against ringtones had been announced. As I bought the phone when it was first released, Apple had not made any decision. Some at Apple said ringtones could be free, or purchased, or not available at all. In the case assuming does NOT make an ass out of u and me (sorry, couldn't resist).
Of course, there would be a way to get ringtones on the phone. Hell, a 17 year old senior in high school was one of the first to crack it open. Any monkey who is fairly computer literate in programing could figure it out. So, I was right to assume that free ringtones would be on the iPhone, wasn't I?
Oh, and lastly, your argument that it might one day do something it doesn't currently is EXACTLY why the iPhone was produced and marketed. It's a SOFTWARE driven device, and Jobs himself has stated that there are software updates along the way that would enable certain features/programs on the iPhone in the near future. From the horses mouth. So, based on that fact it is a safe assumption to make that the iPhone will do certain things that it didn't at the time of purchase (third party app's are currently doing so). Case in point: ringtones.
Now, aside from all this, what is the point in this debate? It's a little moot isn't it?
Missing ringtone icons
Anyone notice their ringtone icons vanishing in your iTunes library. The column is their, but only ringtones still have icons. Still see them in the store. I can make a ringtone out of a song that I know had the ringtone icon yesterday. But can't seem to make the icons come back on my purchased songs. (7.4.2)
Anyone notice their ringtone icons vanishing in your iTunes library. The column is their, but only ringtones still have icons. Still see them in the store. I can make a ringtone out of a song that I know had the ringtone icon yesterday. But can't seem to make the icons come back on my purchased songs. (7.4.2)
It's not crippled; it's nonexistent.
Yes, exactly. But from a practical perspective, you have to assume it won't happen until you're given proof otherwise. You can't put yourself into a position of buying a product based on what you one day hope it might do.
You cannot make assumptions about what those might be, is the point. The only thing that is guaranteed when you buy something is what it does at that point in time. If you buy something merely hoping that something specific will be added to it, you're setting yourself up to be angry in the future.
Yes, he said there would be "more" in the future. It might or might not be free, it might or might not be useful, it might or might not be released on a second-generation product. There can be no reliance on anything, because you haven't been promised anything concrete. He might have been talking about the WiFi music store and nothing else--to assume an implication for ongoing additions is not a good idea, even if you and I both consider it likely to happen.
It's dangerous to make an unfounded assumption, as you did, about adding OBEX or iTunes support for free ringtones. It also has the tendency of ratcheting up expectations on easily excitable boards like this, which results in tantrums when the flights of fancy don't materialize.
The facts are, the majority of recording artists who tour or play live do not make money. It costs a fortune to tour. They are promoting their music in hopes that their loyal fans will buy a copy and enjoy it. Just like most actors who struggle to make a living. Don't believe everything you hear on EXTRA or read in the STAR. You mention two of the biggest grossing acts of all time and you think that is the majority? My facts come from experience.
Dangerous? No, it's dangerous to put your hand in a blender. It's logical to conclude that the iPhone will have features added as JOB'S HIMSELF SAID SO.
If they're from the iTunes Store - no.
If they're not from the iTunes Store - depends.
iToner appears to be safe, but MakeiPhoneRingtones is not.
BTW, I don't know what crack I was smoking that day. I had 7.4.1 (2), not 7.4.2! Yes, 7.4.2 does NOT work...
pssh, improve stability and performance my ***, it won't even launch on my PB G4
i had to get 7.4.1 back from a friend who hadn't updated yet (yes, i tried reinstalling, restarting, repairing permissions, along with several things that don't actually make sense)