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Sorry to disappoint you... but he's wrong. Glow is something entirely different from the hologram effect one. That was taken out a few builds ago, unfortunately. It was really the only cool one and the only one that worked moderately well.

Hmmmm, I could have sworn it was the same effect. At one point it was called "ghost". I just figured they modified it a bit to the "glow" effect.
 
Leopard has actually been very stable for me overall, with the exception of 9A527's Safari crashing very regularly. Otherwise, I'd say I've reported fewer bugs with each version.

Pretty much the same here. Lots of Safari crashes (_CFHTTPConnectionCacheRemoveC
onnection) and a few Xcode crashes. Otherwise, I've found 9A527 to be the best build yet.

So far, Safari is stable with the 9A528d update.
 
Hmmmm, I could have sworn it was the same effect. At one point it was called "ghost". I just figured they modified it a bit to the "glow" effect.

Glow is just like one of the current Photo Booth effects. Can't remember the name... its probably Glow :)

Anyway, I wish I understood why this very minor but very cool feature was scrapped.
 
I hope you realize engineers have more than likely already fixed your bugs and have gone on to greener pasture because the seed that goes out to developers is normally 20-30 builds behind internal builds.and there's a reason for that.I could give you a list but I'm let you figure it out.

Yes, I understand this quite well. I am just posting my notes on the newest seed.
 
Ha

Update or not Leopard is still far behind Windows XP, not to mention Vista :eek: Windows XP is the sh*t and I hate to admit that.

Leopards finder at least 10 years behind Windows. Compatibility wise, behind--don't even ask!


ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
 
Glow is just like one of the current Photo Booth effects. Can't remember the name... its probably Glow :)

Anyway, I wish I understood why this very minor but very cool feature was scrapped.

Darn, I wish I caught it in the previous seeds before it was removed. I'm getting the sense that Apple is stripping minor things out of Leopard as we get closer to Gold Master. While a lot of the improvements are under the hood and much needed, it would be nice to see them deliver on those "super secret features" :p . Like "Fast OS switching", that would be incredible, especially as I need to use Vista for AutoCAD work.
 
Update or not Leopard is still far behind Windows XP, not to mention Vista :eek: Windows XP is the sh*t and I hate to admit that.

Leopards finder at least 10 years behind Windows. Compatibility wise, behind--don't even ask!

Either you are being very sarcastic or you are smoking far too much dope.
 
anyone have the sad and sneaking feeling Leopard is going to be a train wreck?
only the most timorous of the tin-foil-hat brigade...

Maybe it was the comment from Adobe.
You mean about CS3 waiting for Leopard Final? THAT makes you fear disaster???

Maybe it is the disgraceful streak of poor decisions and terrible quality Apple has been on of late.
In the Bizarro World, perhaps.

Will Leopard be the final straw? Does Jobs even work at Apple anymore? Something is wrong/different/off. I hate to say it, but I am sure it's true...
So sure that you'd make it up out of nothing?

I suggest you breathe into a bag until you stop hyperventilating, then get yourself some *real* food, some sleep, and check in w/ your parents to let them know you're okay.

And from now on, stay away from drugs, 'kay?
 
Oh yeah, your readmes must be different than mine. I have searched Apples developer site and I can't find an alternative method anywhere.

Apple also includes a seed-specific readme on the disk, and usually the seed notes have instructions on how you can install. Booting from a separate drive /requires/ you option-boot, as the installer.app is setup to look for DVD media.
 
I live less than 5 minutes from the office and get an hour lunch break, so I went home for lunch today as usual, and decided to install the updates after I ate. So I did, and the computer rebooted, and then... the Finder kept failing to load, over and over. Had to shut down by holding the power button. I'm hoping it'll be okay on my next startup, but I had to get back to work and couldn't stay to find out!

Prior to this, 9A527 had given me few problems, and nothing major.
 
>>I'm sure optical disc manufacturing has improved in the 2+ years since Tiger's release.
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Maybe, but the logistics of packaging and/or distribution means GM by Oct 1st-If they want to make 31st.
Typically stores have this merchandise from a couple days to a week before street date. Figure that in.


And where IS 10.4.11?
 
only the most timorous of the tin-foil-hat brigade...

You mean about CS3 waiting for Leopard Final? THAT makes you fear disaster???

In the Bizarro World, perhaps.

So sure that you'd make it up out of nothing?

I suggest you breathe into a bag until you stop hyperventilating, then get yourself some *real* food, some sleep, and check in w/ your parents to let them know you're okay.

And from now on, stay away from drugs, 'kay?

Wow. Aren't you clever. Very impressive.

I guess all of the other pundits writing about Apple being off its game of late is also a bunch of crap.

Stupid Apple Apologists. You are what give the Apple community a bad name.
 
Use the Restore feature of Disk Utility to "restore" the downloaded .dmg file to a partition (The partition can be on the same drive or external drive), then reboot the machine and boot from that newly restored partition.

This way you don't need to burn to any dvd media.

Also, you have to make sure your external disk is setup with the GUID partition scheme and UFS. Can't be FAT partition etc
 
Wow. Aren't you clever. Very impressive.

I guess all of the other pundits writing about Apple being off its game of late is also a bunch of crap.

Stupid Apple Apologists. You are what give the Apple community a bad name.

First, when ppl are being sarcastic or worse, that doesn't translate to an entire community being stupid or an entire community having a bad name.

Second, I have CS3 running in Leopard just fine right now. It just works, why wouldn't it. In fact everything works that I have tried thus far. I think that fearmongering the contrary is just as bad as being a sarcastic ass.

And finally, Apple is anything but "off their game". In fact thats the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Put some of it in perspective for you.... so far this year we have updated macbooks, macbook pros, minis, new and very slick iMacs, iPhone, new iPod Touch, classic and nano..... all awesome new tech at lower than ever prices. On the software front we have new iLife 08 and iWork 08 along with significant updates to .Mac, and Leopard on the way next month. Last but not least, why don't you take a look at Apple's SEC filings and current stock price.... as well as their Stock price and performance over the last 2 years and tell us all again exactly how Apple is "off their game"
 
Would you rather Apple divert parts of its development team (however small) away from Leopard to 10.4.11? I'm sure there some people working on it, but there'll be time for a 10.4 update once we hit Golden Master status.
+1. I'm sure once Leopard is released to the public, most compatability issues with software such as Adobe CS3 (which I hear has already been fixed) will be dealt with accordingly. Thus, you needn't worry about waiting for 10.4.11, unless you're that fond of the old Aqua UI. I personally prefer the new traffic lights and transparency. :)
 
And finally, Apple is anything but "off their game". In fact thats the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Put some of it in perspective for you.... so far this year we have updated macbooks, macbook pros, minis, new and very slick iMacs, iPhone, new iPod Touch, classic and nano..... all awesome new tech at lower than ever prices. On the software front we have new iLife 08 and iWork 08 along with significant updates to .Mac, and Leopard on the way next month. Last but not least, why don't you take a look at Apple's SEC filings and current stock price.... as well as their Stock price and performance over the last 2 years and tell us all again exactly how Apple is "off their game"

I might be convinced to agree that Apple is off their game a bit. I'm thinking they are spreading themselves a little thin, especially in the UI and design department. The new UI for the Nano/Classic is just bad. Much of the new aesthetics in the Leopard builds are crap (folders, dock, menubar, I'm looking at you). iMovie was a step backwards. iTunes keeps getting uglier, and more bloated. The list goes on.

I'm getting the feeling that someone really high up at Apple has a son who likes to make graphics. Bad graphics.

In the hardware department, I think they'd still be on their game if they didn't keep putting horrible screens in so many of their products.
 
And finally, Apple is anything but "off their game". In fact thats the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Put some of it in perspective for you.... so far this year we have updated macbooks, macbook pros, minis, new and very slick iMacs, iPhone, new iPod Touch, classic and nano..... all awesome new tech at lower than ever prices. On the software front we have new iLife 08 and iWork 08 along with significant updates to .Mac, and Leopard on the way next month. Last but not least, why don't you take a look at Apple's SEC filings and current stock price.... as well as their Stock price and performance over the last 2 years and tell us all again exactly how Apple is "off their game"

Hey, I agree with most of what you say here (iLife and iWork are great). But .Mac? I am currently with .Mac, and have been from the start. But to say .Mac has had "significant updates" is a joke. The service creaks.

I would say Apple is off their game though - in the sense that they are making blunders that affect many of their loyal users and developers. You only have to look at the decisions they've been making lately - the whole ringtone thing which smells of Apple getting way too big for its britches, "secret" features coming in Leopard that amount to a laughable desktop (developers at WWDC actually did) and a transparent menu bar, a phone which doesn't let you add real applications so developers have to hack it in order to add new programs, an insult to developers telling them that Apple have a "sweet" way to develop apps for the iPhone which is basically making web pages, screen issues with hardware, adding cover flow everywhere even when it is next to useless outside of photos/albums, and a new nano whose proportions look odd and are unusual considering Apple's usual attention to aesthetically pleasing design. There is probably more - Apple TV being next to useless outside the US, and not supporting real HD, or codecs that the rest of the world use, springs to mind.

That's not to say that Apple's stock price has suffered. But if Apple continues down this route it will. Talk to a few real Apple fans and there is a feeling that something isn't right.

Who knows the real reason. We often assume Steve is close to all the details, telling everyone what is and isn't right. I'm not sure this is true, but if it is, he's been concentrating so much on the iPhone lately, that he has neglected Leopard. Even if it isn't true, Apple has spread its resources so thin that most of the Leopard developers have been on the iPhone, and thus Leopard has had little input, and people left on it may not have the skills of the previous team and are making poor interface decisions. Or maybe Apple has got so large with so many products that they've had to hire a lot more developers - and any one who works in the industry knows, there is only a small number of really good designers and developers in the world - as you get bigger and need more resources the resources you get are of lower quality. Maybe Apple are hiring the sort of resources that work at Microsoft now. :) That would explain many of the Leopard decisions. :)
 
I might be convinced to agree that Apple is off their game a bit. I'm thinking they are spreading themselves a little thin, especially in the UI and design department. The new UI for the Nano/Classic is just bad. Much of the new aesthetics in the Leopard builds are crap (folders, dock, menubar, I'm looking at you). iMovie was a step backwards. iTunes keeps getting uglier, and more bloated. The list goes on.

I'm getting the feeling that someone really high up at Apple has a son who likes to make graphics. Bad graphics.

In the hardware department, I think they'd still be on their game if they didn't keep putting horrible screens in so many of their products.

Well I guess its to each their own. Im sure the new Nano and Classic UI will evolve to get better. I completely disagree on Leopard, are you actually using it? iMovie is a step forward in many ways and a step backward in others...so we can somewhat agree there. I have no gripes about iTunes other than not being able to make my own ringtones.... but thats a small item.
 
Hey, I agree with most of what you say here (iLife and iWork are great). But .Mac? I am currently with .Mac, and have been from the start. But to say .Mac has had "significant updates" is a joke. The service creaks.

I would say Apple is off their game though - in the sense that they are making blunders that affect many of their loyal users and developers. You only have to look at the decisions they've been making lately - the whole ringtone thing which smells of Apple getting way too big for its britches, "secret" features coming in Leopard that amount to a laughable desktop (developers at WWDC actually did) and a transparent menu bar, a phone which doesn't let you add real applications so developers have to hack it in order to add new programs, an insult to developers telling them that Apple have a "sweet" way to develop apps for the iPhone which is basically making web pages, screen issues with hardware, adding cover flow everywhere even when it is next to useless outside of photos/albums, and a new nano whose proportions look odd and are unusual considering Apple's usual attention to aesthetically pleasing design. There is probably more - Apple TV being next to useless outside the US, and not supporting real HD, or codecs that the rest of the world use, springs to mind.

That's not to say that Apple's stock price has suffered. But if Apple continues down this route it will. Talk to a few real Apple fans and there is a feeling that something isn't right.

Who knows the real reason. We often assume Steve is close to all the details, telling everyone what is and isn't right. I'm not sure this is true, but if it is, he's been concentrating so much on the iPhone lately, that he has neglected Leopard. Even if it isn't true, Apple has spread its resources so thin that most of the Leopard developers have been on the iPhone, and thus Leopard has had little input, and people left on it may not have the skills of the previous team and are making poor interface decisions. Or maybe Apple has got so large with so many products that they've had to hire a lot more developers - and any one who works in the industry knows, there is only a small number of really good designers and developers in the world - as you get bigger and need more resources the resources you get are of lower quality. Maybe Apple are hiring the sort of resources that work at Microsoft now. :) That would explain many of the Leopard decisions. :)

Im certainly not saying they're perfect by any stretch. I think they were beyond having a full plate this year. I imagine now that the new ipods, iphone, leopard and iapps are out of the way they can regroup in 2008.

Regarding .Mac... Im not saying its the greatest thing ever. I was just saying it was updated. Supports the 08 iApp stuff, a ton more storage, support for your own domain etc. Other than that it is what it is.
 
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