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Ah, that, yeah, it's called "Glow" now.

Ah, thats good that they didn't remove that :)

If only someone would invent a means of distributing the load of downloading Leopard across the 100,000 clients instead of everyone downloading directly from Apple... OH WAIT! There's that BitTorrent thing... :p

There are many legal uses of bittorrent, for example World of Warcraft uses it for distributing patches.

Except that's illegal... :rolleyes: lol. Still, if Apple found a legal way to do that after people payed for it... Like a certain key or something specifically generated for every purchaser, that might work.

I bet they can find a legal way to keep it safe via an electronic download, its been done before...
 
Well, I hope you realize that the dev seeds are an entirely different matter from the end user product when it comes to anti piracy measures Apple is willing to take. One reason why they want control of their dev seeds is because they don't want details about them to get out in the wild too soon. As for the release product, Apple has most certainly not been tracking the legitimacy of OS X (client). If they're smart, they'll continue to tolerate OS X piracy. Unlike Microsoft, Apple also sells hardware. Plus, just look at the pathetic anti-piracy schemes Microsoft, Adobe and others have come up with:

- they have all been broken withing weeks, sometimes days of release, in rare cases even before the final product shipped
- they create endless headaches for many customers who legitimately obtained their licenses (remember the recent WGA server outage?)
- in general they do NOT give customers any advantage in return for the restrictions, unlike what the software companies would like you to think (I'm still waiting for Adobe floating licenses for small businesses, for instance)

All in all it's just one big fiasco. Apple should keep OS X out of those muddy waters.

All very true, I was affected by the WGA outage, and it was kind of frustrating to have that happen.
 
Ok, I fixed the sound issue. I re-installed the "Realtek" sound driver for Mac OS and it reset the lack of sound in this latest update. For those who have written me about the same issue, download the driver package here:

http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads.../RTL8139D(L)/RTL8100(L)<br>RTL8130/RTL8139B(L)

Download the driver for "Mac OS X 10.4". Works fine. Of course, I'm running Leopard on a Mac Pro, I was able to determine the exact sound card used for Mac Pro's but it may differ depending on which Mac you're using...

Hope this helps.

Update: This is the same driver used by MacBook Pro's (and possibly all Intel Mac's presently).

Hey, why don't you send me a copy of the latest build and I'll test it out to make sure it works :D. Figured Apple might need a little extra help :rolleyes:
 
Hey,

If I were to buy a new iMac soon, when in the Leopard pre-release process should I place the order so that I get a Mac with Panther installed but also get the Leopard disks?

Thanks!
 
Well then they'll just not be candidates for a downloadable OS then...

I wish Apple did something like this, the problem is I seem to find this but for the most part the cost isn't much different from the actual physical software (games in my case, to my foggy memory though) I think it should be around 20-30% less.

I think 20-30% is pushing it to an extreme. They pay very little for the mass actual physical production. Other fees for shelf space in other retail chains, etc would never account for that much of a drop per copy. But a box isn't really what we're paying for here. It's OS X. There are hundreds of thousands of hours of work converted to data on the cheap DVD. All of that work can't be discounted by 30% just for a few cents for a physical DVD and packaging [and shelf space]. I don't think that's logical or going to happen and really don't think it should. We use these systems every day, a couple hundred bucks or less is not unreasonable for the amount of actual time it took to develop.
 
Hey,

If I were to buy a new iMac soon, when in the Leopard pre-release process should I place the order so that I get a Mac with Panther installed but also get the Leopard disks?

Thanks!

I doubt you can get a new Mac with Panther. It'll come with Tiger.
 
No Leopard down load option!

I doubt vey much that Leopard will be available to the general public as a download option. The full package is 6 - 7 GB. This makes it extremely slow to download even with a 1.5mb DSL line.

Not only that but it will not fit on a standard DVD. This requires a DL DVD Burner that many users don't have available.

Currently Leopard doesn't install from an ISO. If you mount the iso and double click "install OSX", the installer forces a system reboot. Upon reboot the mounted ISO is gone and the system boots from the priamry boot drive.

Currently the only way to install Leopard is to burn the iso to a DL-DVD and boot from the DVD.

I am sure that Apple doesn't want to instute a general system that requires a 10+ hour download, mount iso, burn to DL-DVD, and then it just works (maybe if the download didn't fail)
 
Currently the only way to install Leopard is to burn the iso to a DL-DVD and boot from the DVD.

Not true... I have been doing just fine without DVD-Rs installing seeds. The magic is in the readmes. They offer alternatives. :)
 
I hope they spend some time making Leopard not uncontrollably ugly before they ship it. The WWDC build was terribly disgusting, and the new close/minimize buttons are hideous.
 
I doubt vey much that Leopard will be available to the general public as a download option. The full package is 6 - 7 GB. This makes it extremely slow to download even with a 1.5mb DSL line.

Not only that but it will not fit on a standard DVD. This requires a DL DVD Burner that many users don't have available.

Currently Leopard doesn't install from an ISO. If you mount the iso and double click "install OSX", the installer forces a system reboot. Upon reboot the mounted ISO is gone and the system boots from the priamry boot drive.

Currently the only way to install Leopard is to burn the iso to a DL-DVD and boot from the DVD.

I am sure that Apple doesn't want to instute a general system that requires a 10+ hour download, mount iso, burn to DL-DVD, and then it just works (maybe if the download didn't fail)

Not true mine booted from a USB drive.
 
Not true mine booted from a USB drive.

Yeah, I boot mine from a USB drive as well but first I had to burn the downloaded ISO to a DVD and do the initial install from a DVD.

How did you get the ISO installed on the USB drive without first burning to dvd and running install OS X?
 
Update was smooth, however none of the bugs I reported have been fixed. Safari feels more stable, but time will tell.

The most annoying bug I have found is with RSS feeds in Safari ... it creates this error dump popup a few times an hour, unless you move it to a corner then it only pops up once in a while.
 
Not true... I have been doing just fine without DVD-Rs installing seeds. The magic is in the readmes. They offer alternatives. :)

Oh yeah, your readmes must be different than mine. I have searched Apples developer site and I can't find an alternative method anywhere.

I have tried booting from mounted ISO, on seperate internal drive, booting from ISO on USB drive, mounting iso & copying files to alternate drive, etc.

I can't get any of them to work. The only method I have found that works is burn ISO to DL-DVD!

I am not saying that it can't be done, I am saying that I haven't been able to get it to work any other way for me. Therefore I doubt Apple would implement this as a general public "Pay for Download option" type system. Besides people are going to want OS X system disks anyway for backing up in case of a disaster or disk repair.
 
Oh yeah, your readmes must be different than mine. I have searched Apples developer site and I can't find an alternative method anywhere.

I have tried booting from mounted ISO, on seperate internal drive, booting from ISO on USB drive, mounting iso & copying files to alternate drive, etc.

I can't get any of them to work. The only method I have found that works is burn ISO to DL-DVD!

I am not saying that it can't be done, I am saying that I haven't been able to get it to work any other way for me. Therefore I doubt Apple would implement this as a general public "Pay for Download option" type system. Besides people are going to want OS X system disks anyway for backing up in case of a disaster or disk repair.

Funny, I have the exact opposite problem ... I can't get the burned versions to boot, I am forced to use an external firewire drive for it.
 
Update was smooth, however none of the bugs I reported have been fixed. Safari feels more stable, but time will tell.

The most annoying bug I have found is with RSS feeds in Safari ... it creates this error dump popup a few times an hour, unless you move it to a corner then it only pops up once in a while.

I hope you realize engineers have more than likely already fixed your bugs and have gone on to greener pasture because the seed that goes out to developers is normally 20-30 builds behind internal builds.and there's a reason for that.I could give you a list but I'm let you figure it out.

Yeah, I boot mine from a USB drive as well but first I had to burn the downloaded ISO to a DVD and do the initial install from a DVD.

How did you get the ISO installed on the USB drive without first burning to dvd and running install OS X?

Question :

You say you downloaded an *.ISO..What O/S are you referring to ? Apple doesn't release downloads as *.ISO.That's a Windows thing..Apple seeds come out as *.DMG..

I could go on about the wherefores and whys concerning sound issues but since it isn't an issue but a purposeful thing I won't.

And lastly why are all you "developers" being so blatant with your breaching of the Apple NDA ?


Apple is on at least 9a558 right now and getting ready to go GM but due to contractual and ongoing deals with various companies can't release it to GM status to allow it to be downloaded.To do this at this stage would give away new hardware coming out and features that rely on contracts with other companies that arn't public yet.

Have patience and help out by submitting your "bugs" the proper way instead of talking about them openly in a public forum.
 
Ah, thats good that they didn't remove that

Sorry to disappoint you... but he's wrong. Glow is something entirely different from the hologram effect one. That was taken out a few builds ago, unfortunately. It was really the only cool one and the only one that worked moderately well.
 
October 1st 00:00:01 am

....I met Steve Jobs in an elevator. He said.
So it's real.

I didn't take a photo of all the cool new hardware he brought along to show me.

Sorry....
 
I think 20-30% is pushing it to an extreme. They pay very little for the mass actual physical production. Other fees for shelf space in other retail chains, etc would never account for that much of a drop per copy. But a box isn't really what we're paying for here. It's OS X. There are hundreds of thousands of hours of work converted to data on the cheap DVD. All of that work can't be discounted by 30% just for a few cents for a physical DVD and packaging [and shelf space]. I don't think that's logical or going to happen and really don't think it should. We use these systems every day, a couple hundred bucks or less is not unreasonable for the amount of actual time it took to develop.

Not to mention retail shelf space strengthens the brand and visibility.
 
I hope you realize engineers have more than likely already fixed your bugs and have gone on to greener pasture because the seed that goes out to developers is normally 20-30 builds behind internal builds.and there's a reason for that.I could give you a list but I'm let you figure it out.



Question :

You say you downloaded an *.ISO..What O/S are you referring to ? Apple doesn't release downloads as *.ISO.That's a Windows thing..Apple seeds come out as *.DMG..

I could go on about the wherefores and whys concerning sound issues but since it isn't an issue but a purposeful thing I won't.

And lastly why are all you "developers" being so blatant with your breaching of the Apple NDA ?


Apple is on at least 9a558 right now and getting ready to go GM but due to contractual and ongoing deals with various companies can't release it to GM status to allow it to be downloaded.To do this at this stage would give away new hardware coming out and features that rely on contracts with other companies that arn't public yet.

Have patience and help out by submitting your "bugs" the proper way instead of talking about them openly in a public forum.

Offtopic:
ISO is not just a Windows thing. It's a Linux thing, a FreeBSD thing, etc.

Anyone can download Debian Linux ISOs of various releases.

OS X has native ISO support. ISO is standard.
 
Offtopic:
ISO is not just a Windows thing. It's a Linux thing, a FreeBSD thing, etc.

Anyone can download Debian Linux ISOs of various releases.

OS X has native ISO support. ISO is standard.

Thats correct but it's used on PeeCees mostly.Apple DOES NOT release downloads in ISO format nor does Apple sell Linux.
 
Yeah, I boot mine from a USB drive as well but first I had to burn the downloaded ISO to a DVD and do the initial install from a DVD.

How did you get the ISO installed on the USB drive without first burning to dvd and running install OS X?

Use the Restore feature of Disk Utility to "restore" the downloaded .dmg file to a partition (The partition can be on the same drive or external drive), then reboot the machine and boot from that newly restored partition.

This way you don't need to burn to any dvd media.
 
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