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Not for you, buddy. Wait for a cheaper Gen 3 in a couple of years. This is still a glorified developers kit. If you want an AVP, go to Swappa to get Gen 1 for under $2,000.
Yeah, it’s a developer kit. Nobody cares about it just like anything Apple releases.
 
Have Apple ever stated if the different rates of voltage etc around the world are why the AVP2 still ships w/a 30w wall plug here in the UK?
Yes. You get 30W USB‑C Power Adapter and USB‑C Charge Cable (1.5m). I like this adapter because you can swap the attachment for EU/US plug.
 
I don't know. I'll continue to believe Cook as he is CEO of Apple.

If you don't think he's being truthful, that's your business and prerogative.
That's a poor reason to believe a person. Blind faith is not helpful to anyone.

He wouldn't be the first person to lie. Yes, even the CEO of Apple can lie. Believe it or not, he isn't perfect nor is the company.

I think Tim is probably a good person for the most part and I have a lot (too many) Apple products but they have made mistakes and their execs have lied in the past. I'd be shocked if there's a company on earth where 100% of the statements were 100% factual.
 
That's a poor reason to believe a person. Blind faith is not helpful to anyone.

He wouldn't be the first person to lie. Yes, even the CEO of Apple can lie. Believe it or not, he isn't perfect nor is the company.

I think Tim is probably a good person for the most part and I have a lot (too many) Apple products but they have made mistakes and their execs have lied in the past. I'd be shocked if there's a company on earth where 100% of the statements were 100% factual.
You do realize it is extremely illegal to lie on quarterly earnings like jail time and fraud type of illegal? They are a publicly traded company and under the fist of the SEC lying about something so insignificant is beyond stupid.
 
You do realize it is extremely illegal to lie on quarterly earnings like jail time and fraud type of illegal? They are a publicly traded company and under the fist of the SEC lying about something so insignificant is beyond stupid.

Lying under oath is awfully bad as well ... alas

 
Lying under oath is awfully bad as well ... alas

...and Apple got punished severely for it, Apple had an incentive to lie on that case because there is hundreds of billions of dollars a year at stake. The 2000-3000 native apps is extremely stupid to lie about, you can see the AVP app store yourself and roughly count it isn't difficult to prove it wrong or right and there is no benefit to lying:


All of the circle apps = native apps, all square apps = iPad apps. Very easy and you dont even need a mac to check.

Edit: and for the record I am glad Apple got hit with the book for lying, disgusting behavior and the 30% was outrageous.
 
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That's a poor reason to believe a person. Blind faith is not helpful to anyone.

He wouldn't be the first person to lie. Yes, even the CEO of Apple can lie. Believe it or not, he isn't perfect nor is the company.

I think Tim is probably a good person for the most part and I have a lot (too many) Apple products but they have made mistakes and their execs have lied in the past. I'd be shocked if there's a company on earth where 100% of the statements were 100% factual.

Nope. Blind faith isn't going to fly and is not a reason.

My trust is earned, and built on many years of watching Cook since he took over from Jobs, and coming to the conclusion he's a straight shooter. And has yet to engage in any "you're holding it wrong"-like obfuscation.

Sadly... many people on tech forums don't like Cook. I remember when he took over from Jobs and all of the childish taunts having to do with how he chooses to live his personal life. Thankfully MR admins put a stop to that.
 
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Nope. Blind faith isn't going to fly and is not a reason.

My trust is earned, and built on many years of watching Cook since he took over from Jobs, and coming to the conclusion he's a straight shooter. And has yet to engage in any "you're holding it wrong"-like obfuscation.

Sadly... many people on tech forums don't like Cook. I remember when he took over from Jobs and all of the childish taunts having to do with how he chooses to live his personal life. Thankfully MR admins put a stop to that.
Apple is ready to move on from Tim Cook and it can't be soon enough! His lack of leadership and innovation on Siri, Apple AI and the new Liquid ass crack UI disaster across all platforms will tarnish his legacy.
 
Nope. Blind faith isn't going to fly and is not a reason.

My trust is earned, and built on many years of watching Cook since he took over from Jobs, and coming to the conclusion he's a straight shooter. And has yet to engage in any "you're holding it wrong"-like obfuscation.

Sadly... many people on tech forums don't like Cook. I remember when he took over from Jobs and all of the childish taunts having to do with how he chooses to live his personal life. Thankfully MR admins put a stop to that.
I do agree that Cook is often bashed for no reason. He has a lot of innovations under his belt:

  1. Apple Watch
  2. Swift / SwiftUI
  3. Apple TV (the streaming service)
  4. The M series chips
  5. Airpods
  6. The Vision Pro
  7. Huge improvements to iPad (namely iPadOS being a separate OS to iOS)
  8. Mac Catalyst (allowing developers to easily port their ipad apps to macOS)
  9. Greatly expanding continuity.
I could go on and on. I do hate how he is a bean counter and nickle and dimes frequently on things. Like Apple could have hit this announcement out of the park by saying "Now only 2999" or even better "1999". I also hate how he has let Siri languish massively despite it being way ahead of everyone when Steve Jobs dropped it.
 
Apple is ready to move on from Tim Cook and it can't be soon enough! His lack of leadership and innovation on Siri, Apple AI and the new Liquid ass crack UI disaster across all platforms will tarnish his legacy.

Yet Apple with its 1+ Billion active and repeat customers who love to purchase Apple products has propelled Apple to becoming one of the most successful consumer tech companies in the world.

Without having to deal with the dozen+ flops the previous CEO introduced that many convienently forget.
 
Yeah, it’s a developer kit. Nobody cares about it just like anything Apple releases.
It is basically a dev kit. Until they’re able to cut that price by more than half, reduce the weight from 650 grams to under 325 grams, increase the FOV to 140+ degrees and increase the refresh rate to 144hz, it will not sell.

The problem is for these specs, we are possible 3-5 years away but Apple rushed the product to market when they should have held off until 2027 like many inside Apple were lobbying for until Tim Cook over-ruled them.

Heck, you may have been able to convince me to release the first gen version this year as the dev kit with the mass market consumer version releasing in 2027.
 
It is basically a dev kit. Until they’re able to cut that price by more than half, reduce the weight from 650 grams to under 325 grams, increase the FOV to 140+ degrees and increase the refresh rate to 144hz, it will not sell.

The problem is for these specs, we are possible 3-5 years away but Apple rushed the product to market when they should have held off until 2027 like many inside Apple were lobbying for until Tim Cook over-ruled them.

Heck, you may have been able to convince me to release the first gen version this year as the dev kit with the mass market consumer version releasing in 2027.
lets see what Samsung releases next week and compare
 
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It is basically a dev kit. Until they’re able to cut that price by more than half, reduce the weight from 650 grams to under 325 grams, increase the FOV to 140+ degrees and increase the refresh rate to 144hz, it will not sell.

The problem is for these specs, we are possible 3-5 years away but Apple rushed the product to market when they should have held off until 2027 like many inside Apple were lobbying for until Tim Cook over-ruled them.

Heck, you may have been able to convince me to release the first gen version this year as the dev kit with the mass market consumer version releasing in 2027.
Fyi you can massively increase the FOV by removing the light seal. Made a huge difference for my use.
 
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is dual knit band an official admission that Vision Pro is too dang heavy to dangle off the average person's face?
The "average person" could not begin to tell us what AR is, and the "average person" is not the target market for the AVP. So claiming "that Vision Pro is too dang heavy to dangle off the average person's face" is meaningless.
 
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Do you remember the days when you bought an iPhone and then you started noticing DAMN everyone has an iPhone!
Do you remember the days when you bought AirPods and then you started noticing DAMN everyone has AirPods!
Do you remember the days when you bought your Watch and then you started noticing DAMN every chick has an Watch!

Yep...

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I do agree that Cook is often bashed for no reason. He has a lot of innovations under his belt:

  1. Apple Watch
  2. Swift / SwiftUI
  3. Apple TV (the streaming service)
  4. The M series chips
  5. Airpods
  6. The Vision Pro
  7. Huge improvements to iPad (namely iPadOS being a separate OS to iOS)
  8. Mac Catalyst (allowing developers to easily port their ipad apps to macOS)
  9. Greatly expanding continuity.
I could go on and on. I do hate how he is a bean counter and nickle and dimes frequently on things. Like Apple could have hit this announcement out of the park by saying "Now only 2999" or even better "1999". I also hate how he has let Siri languish massively despite it being way ahead of everyone when Steve Jobs dropped it.

Investors like he’s a bean counter. Jobs was the same way. Innovation is the result of the people there and deciding what to green light or not. Apple has always said no to many things. Are people expecting someone who’s an engineer or something to be better at managing a company? lol. No you want Cook the bean counter. Apples management is solid. You don’t want this changing. Or you wind up with a company like meta who loses billions doing pet projects.

IMO. Cook said yes to one particularly dumb thing. The car. Vision Pro is basically an iPad vr. No problems with this. Not a fan of Apple TV streaming either but looks good enough to come close to break even.

Another big goof is AI or a machine learning voice assistant. None of this stuff is true AI. But this comes with privacy issues. Others like chatgpt have no concerns if your phone has private info on it. Apple has that concern. Because Siri has to look at the data on your phone for patterns. Data you want kept private. ChatGPT doesn’t.

Still Apple has been able to avoid any real pain with not having a promised Siri. They’re the world’s most valuable brand.

Vision Pro whether it’s successful later or not will be a marathon. It won’t be successful if the Vision Pro is the only product in that category for Apple. Glasses may well end up being an iPhone killer eventually. So let’s not dismiss what Apple is learning with Vision Pro.
 
Investors like he’s a bean counter. Jobs was the same way. Innovation is the result of the people there and deciding what to green light or not. Apple has always said no to many things. Are people expecting someone who’s an engineer or something to be better at managing a company? lol. No you want Cook the bean counter. Apples management is solid. You don’t want this changing. Or you wind up with a company like meta who loses billions doing pet projects.

IMO. Cook said yes to one particularly dumb thing. The car. Vision Pro is basically an iPad vr. No problems with this. Not a fan of Apple TV streaming either but looks good enough to come close to break even.

Another big goof is AI or a machine learning voice assistant. None of this stuff is true AI. But this comes with privacy issues. Others like chatgpt have no concerns if your phone has private info on it. Apple has that concern. Because Siri has to look at the data on your phone for patterns. Data you want kept private. ChatGPT doesn’t.

Still Apple has been able to avoid any real pain with not having a promised Siri. They’re the world’s most valuable brand.

Vision Pro whether it’s successful later or not will be a marathon. It won’t be successful if the Vision Pro is the only product in that category for Apple. Glasses may well end up being an iPhone killer eventually. So let’s not dismiss what Apple is learning with Vision Pro.

An excellent assessment.

Regarding Apple's car... In late 2023 it became clear the Biden administration would be imposing a 100% tariff on imported electric cars from China. Knowing that was coming next year, Apple stopped its car project in February 2024 knowing tariff would make sales impossible - a smart move. The 100% tariff was imposed a couple months later.

One more thing for clarity... in addition to having an MBA from Duke University, Cook also has an engineering degree from Auburn University.
 
I’ve seen multiple people make similar comments. 👆

Think of it this way: Apple can absolutely make a stripped-down $200 iPhone that has mass market appeal in emerging markets (low-income countries). Apple could sell 100s of millions of basic cheap iPhones. There are Android phones at that price point, so why not iPhone?

I think Apple’s strategy with the AVP’s current high price-point is very intentional. It may sound counterintuitive, but I believe Apple is not looking for mass market appeal at the moment to avoid disappointment. It’s still an early-adopter product and the third-party developer community/ecosystem has to catch up—the same way the iPhone did in its initial iterations. The AVP’s high price-point is an intentional barrier to entry. Most of the people who are putting down $3,500+ for the AVP know exactly what they’re getting / already have their expectations managed.

You have to remember: All of the third-party iOS apps we love and enjoy today on the iPhone did not exist in 2007–2008. Browsing the internet on a “smartphone” wasn’t even a thing when the iPhone was released in 2007. How many of you are old enough to remember when Steve Jobs loaded The New York Times website on stage? It was the Desktop version of the website because “mobile web” and “responsive design” wasn’t even a thing back then. We’ve come a long way with the iPhone in the last 18 years.

Unfortunately, majority of the people that can afford a $1,000 iPhone are wondering why they can’t afford the $3,500 AVP and why the AVP M2/M5 isn’t as polished as their latest-generation iPhone (17). There’s no comparison—they’re two completely different categories and stages of their lifecycles.
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Fyi you can massively increase the FOV by removing the light seal. Made a huge difference for my use.
Yeah, you’re right but it still feels so restrictive. 140 degrees FOV vert and horizontal would be so liberating and probably wouldn’t cause a lot of warping with optimized software and lenses. 145+ degrees is unlikely something we see before 2031. For reference, human eye FOV is about 210 degrees.

Meanwhile shrinking the headset footprint to a comfortable 300 grams? There was a study that found “all day” wear was around 200 grams but I just don’t see us getting there anytime soon.
 
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