how did it fail beyond what they priced it at? it wasn't released to sell more than it did...
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Productivity was the killer app for me. Extend my mac display, have my email, messages, teams etc floating around me. I can sit by the pool and with a push of a button all of it will appear in front of me. When I had my AV1 once I got comfortable and used to it I used it for work 8+ hours at a time.
I ran my whole business on it for the month or so I had it. Plus the ability to teleport somewhere quiet and cut out visual noise is a Godsend. I downloaded an app to play ambient sounds like rain sounds or wind sounds
Do you have any pictures of the tan line around your face after wearing the AVP for 8+ hours sitting by the pool? 😆
Those celebrating that there’s only a slow adoption of AVP are not acknowledging that this product was rumored to be Tim Cook’s pet project. He likes the product, despite the massive R&D cost and high price tag. This company is so successful that they can afford to have one pet project in existence.
Plus, it’s definitely giving them ideas they can apply to other future products like the rumored Smart Glasses. The Smart Glasses will be the mass-appeal product. It won’t offer the same experience as AVP, but it’ll be more convenient to wear, less expensive and have more dev support.
I know many dislike the closed-off aspect of the AVP goggles, and I totally get it. It’ll never be commonplace to see someone wearing these in public or even walking around their house like you see in some of the ads. Yes, you can move freely from one room to another because you’re not physically tethered to another device (by having the battery pack in your pocket), but it would be hard to do everyday tasks while wearing this device.
This is a niche device at its core. The current design of the AVP will not appeal to the mainstream. 3D glasses are already a turnoff for most people. Those who fit this product have to have a use case that this design can complement, otherwise it’s just getting in the way. I think people are intrigued by this product, whether they have use case or not. It’s an interesting and well-made product. Using it as a giant monitor or movie screen or using it for AR engineering are probably just the tip of the iceberg of what this could be used for, but the sad irony is that because it isn’t mainstream and probably never will be in its current form, there likely won’t be a lot of new use cases invented for it.
Development for it would have to be a pet project for a software dev, and that just isn’t super financially viable. I’m happy at least some companies have invested in supporting it, like Disney and a few other big ones. Correct me if I’m wrong, but on a technical level, these are still the best displays in a consumer VR device, right?
Plus, it’s definitely giving them ideas they can apply to other future products like the rumored Smart Glasses. The Smart Glasses will be the mass-appeal product. It won’t offer the same experience as AVP, but it’ll be more convenient to wear, less expensive and have more dev support.
I know many dislike the closed-off aspect of the AVP goggles, and I totally get it. It’ll never be commonplace to see someone wearing these in public or even walking around their house like you see in some of the ads. Yes, you can move freely from one room to another because you’re not physically tethered to another device (by having the battery pack in your pocket), but it would be hard to do everyday tasks while wearing this device.
This is a niche device at its core. The current design of the AVP will not appeal to the mainstream. 3D glasses are already a turnoff for most people. Those who fit this product have to have a use case that this design can complement, otherwise it’s just getting in the way. I think people are intrigued by this product, whether they have use case or not. It’s an interesting and well-made product. Using it as a giant monitor or movie screen or using it for AR engineering are probably just the tip of the iceberg of what this could be used for, but the sad irony is that because it isn’t mainstream and probably never will be in its current form, there likely won’t be a lot of new use cases invented for it.
Development for it would have to be a pet project for a software dev, and that just isn’t super financially viable. I’m happy at least some companies have invested in supporting it, like Disney and a few other big ones. Correct me if I’m wrong, but on a technical level, these are still the best displays in a consumer VR device, right?
They could afford to have many.
It's going to end up getting cancelled and work pivoted to the glasses.
To your point about Tim though, he does seem to have personally pushed this out the door when there was internal disagreement about doing so.
And we see the result.
The real problem is that, pet project or not, Apple barely supports it themselves!
One would think Tim could allocate a few more resources to his pet project, so it doesn't die.
I think it could be for a motivated 1 or 2 person development team. There are 400,000+ AVPs out there right now And more to come with AVP Gen2.
Speculation: if such a 2 person team were to develop, say, a killer $50 to $100 app, and sell to just 5% of the above market, that's a pretty decent return.
until Samsung one ups them next week... Shoulda waited til Samsungs device launched and then released this with a more proper update... at least a damn wifi 7 chip.... keeping dated wireless tech in a new device is even more pathetic now than it was a year and a half ago when the first one launched and didn't even have 6e....
I hate to post in here because some of you guys are just toxic LOL. But have you guys done your research? Let's get something really straight settled, I can't remember exactly when but Apple contacted Zeiss about 6-7 years ago to work on lenses for supposedly what we will call Vision Pro and Vision Air.
The Vision Air (the Meta competition product) is reportedly going to use the same or VisionOS or akin to iPadOS <-> iOS or VisionOS <-> AirOS similar design, we just have to assume on that, tho.
But this $20B in R&D, is for making the future wearable Apple Glasses (Vision Air). And when the Vision Air sells and there are products that developers have had 5-7 software years to make after Apple has had 5-7 hardware years + another 5 years; This VISION LINE is gonna be disgusting!
This is gonna be one of the best moves Apple will have made next to the iPhone and I'll tell you the best reason why:
Do you remember the days when you bought an iPhone and then you started noticing DAMN everyone has an iPhone!
Do you remember the days when you bought AirPods and then you started noticing DAMN everyone has AirPods!
Do you remember the days when you bought your Watch and then you started noticing DAMN every chick has an Watch!
Well get ready, because due to Effing screen time, and the main Nerd Apparel of the 2000s and beyond! i.e. AEyeGlasses!
You will also remember the days after you bought your Glasses, 5 years after saying, DAMN everyone has aiGlasses!
It's happening whether you Believe it, or not! Sorry...
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The Vision Air (the Meta competition product) is reportedly going to use the same or VisionOS or akin to iPadOS <-> iOS or VisionOS <-> AirOS similar design, we just have to assume on that, tho.
But this $20B in R&D, is for making the future wearable Apple Glasses (Vision Air). And when the Vision Air sells and there are products that developers have had 5-7 software years to make after Apple has had 5-7 hardware years + another 5 years; This VISION LINE is gonna be disgusting!
This is gonna be one of the best moves Apple will have made next to the iPhone and I'll tell you the best reason why:
Do you remember the days when you bought an iPhone and then you started noticing DAMN everyone has an iPhone!
Do you remember the days when you bought AirPods and then you started noticing DAMN everyone has AirPods!
Do you remember the days when you bought your Watch and then you started noticing DAMN every chick has an Watch!
Well get ready, because due to Effing screen time, and the main Nerd Apparel of the 2000s and beyond! i.e. AEyeGlasses!
You will also remember the days after you bought your Glasses, 5 years after saying, DAMN everyone has aiGlasses!
It's happening whether you Believe it, or not! Sorry...
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I was in the market for a new TV and on my way back from Best Buy, I wandered into an Apple Store and booked a demo on a whim. It was already clear to me that the Vision Pro is the future that many aren't ready for and it's true that it's too expensive for mass market adoption at this moment, but holy cow has that demo changed my calculations for a TV. It was an iPhone 2007 unveiling moment for me.
I had to forcibly put my wallet away because the $5000 (Canadian) price tag was irresponsible but I decided then that my next entertainment device would be a Vision Pro.
The price hasn't changed but with this refresh and the latest silicon in the device, I'm almost certain I'm buying one within a year. My Mac was $6000, the Sony Bravia TV I was looking at was $3000, my iPad was $2000 and my iPhone was $1800. The Vision Pro pricing starts to sound more palatable if I forgo replacing one or two of these devices.
I had to forcibly put my wallet away because the $5000 (Canadian) price tag was irresponsible but I decided then that my next entertainment device would be a Vision Pro.
The price hasn't changed but with this refresh and the latest silicon in the device, I'm almost certain I'm buying one within a year. My Mac was $6000, the Sony Bravia TV I was looking at was $3000, my iPad was $2000 and my iPhone was $1800. The Vision Pro pricing starts to sound more palatable if I forgo replacing one or two of these devices.
Was the redesign (reshaping) of the AirPods several times an admission that they constantly fall out of the average user's ears?
It's clear to me that I live & spend very differently than many folks.
Apple Vision Pro was released to be this game changing VR headset! It failed just like Siri did, mission accomplished.
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I enjoyed reading your assessment (in addition to your past views/opinions on MR). Thanx for the heads up - appreciate it! Looking forward to a trip to the Apple Store for a demo. Have a feeling I’ll be bringing an AVP home.
Tim’s happy with it, though. He gets to watch Apple TV shows and movies on his ceiling. Mission accomplished.
This pipe dream you have for a developer will never happen. How many developers does Apple have now for the AVP? Zero!!
I've done that before. Two person teams are the best for small projects.
"How many developers does Apple have now for the AVP? Zero!!"
Have a *credible* source for that?
I think most Mac users on here and many have been using them for 30+ years, know more than the tired looking people working at Apple stores
Well!
It looks like Apple finally FINALLY supports prescrptions with prism! Guess it's time to buy one of these, see how it works as a travel Mac display.
Interestingly, it's NOT that the prescription inserts now include prism (which Apple's support doc is blaming on Zeiss), but visionOS 26 does support prism in software:
I guess means that even older model users can take advantage of this feature via software? Nice, I suppose, if you already have one and your eyes start drifting.
It looks like Apple finally FINALLY supports prescrptions with prism! Guess it's time to buy one of these, see how it works as a travel Mac display.
Interestingly, it's NOT that the prescription inserts now include prism (which Apple's support doc is blaming on Zeiss), but visionOS 26 does support prism in software:
This makes sense given how the eye tracking works, although it's a bummer it took them this long to add it.
I guess means that even older model users can take advantage of this feature via software? Nice, I suppose, if you already have one and your eyes start drifting.
Apple has been working on AVP since 2015 and no major developer ever signed for on this project! This wasn't a small project either so your assessment of 2 person teams means nothing.
Wait, I just read the "fine print" more carefully and realized just how annoyingly stupid this process is going to be.
Apparently Zeiss won't just take a prescription with prism in the right range and make you optical inserts without the prism, so you then use the software prism correction... they literally won't make them unless you hand them a prescription without prism even though that correction will be added in software.
So I am going to have to literally go to an eye doctor, tell them I want them to write me a prescription for exactly what I already have but with no prism, and pay them to give me that piece of paper, just so Zeiss will make me inserts.
Perhaps the blame here should fall on a broken American system that requires a licensed doctor to give you permission to buy a piece of glass to put in front of your eyes, but having to pay someone to give me the same piece of paper I already have minus two numbers so I can buy a product is absolutely ridiculous.
I wonder if I digitally edit the card the doctor gave me to erase the prism value if they'll accept it...
I don't know how accurate this is, but a search says there are more than 1,000 native AVP apps. Obviously by non-Apple developers.
Also... during a 2024 earnings call Tim Cook claimed there were more than 2,500 *native* AVP apps - no doubt written by outside developers and Apple engineers.
Regarding 2 person teams... that was with respect to developing projects using others' hardware and software. For example... two non-Apple people developing an interesting app for AVP.
It actually was, they had to halt production due to lackluster sales
Not sure where you are searching but there is maybe 50 apps in total and they all look like they were designed by a 3 year old.