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If Apple invites you to work your butt off early to make their platform with no 3rd party native apps at the time look good, they shouldn’t charge you an arm and a leg for that. And since they don’t want to pay you for that the least they can do is what they are doing now. Let you borrow a unit with a deposit that you return. Simple, fair. They still make way more money for that than the developer and they don’t come off looking like an unjust, greedy, evil, soulless corporation. It’s a win win.
You consider $500 an arm and a leg? Interesting...
 
The time limit was more a problem than the amount. I have no use for another M1 Mac and wanted to wait for the M1X(or whatever the next-gen is).
 
Not aware of a single developer complaining about the price of the DTK when it was announced, or complaining about having to buy hardware for their business. The problem is the units are worthless bricks and Apple provided zero support. That's not an "investment," more like a giant scam.

Keep in mind that the only reason developers had to pay the $500 is because there was no hardware to buy off the shelf. All of us would have preferred to pay $699 for a working Mac Mini off the shelf than $500 for a non-working piece of crap that had to be returned in a year. I
Buying the tools you need is part and parcel of any job - regardless if you need it for an hour or a year.

If your software is that popular that updating it to native ARM literally could not wait until retail machines are out in the wild then your company is probably doing alright already from sales.
Apple caved in to the social media pressure of the entitled minded. I don't see that as a good thing.
Completely agree. Bowing to the social masses after already throwing some unexpected goodies in their direction sets a bad precedent IMHO, not just in the case of Apple, but society in general.

It's like throwing the homeless guy some coins and he's like - "what, no notes?"
 
Out of curiosity: how much do Sony and Microsoft charge for their gaming DTKs before new hardware launches? How much of that gets returned?
The amount is generally under NDA, but north of $500. Generally the hardware you can develop on is way different than what consumers use(different logic boards, cases, etc). A lot of that hardware is never expected to be returned because it is the only way to write software(devs keep it to make games for years).
 
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I am always confused how people think a company who owns a platform that would be worthless without 3rd party developers, makes a major change that needs to get their partner developers on board, and is apparently owed something from their developers.

If anything, the necessity of getting developers onboard with Apple Silicon for release day completely justifies the thought that Apple should have done this from the day the dev boxes were announced. The machines were always going to be needed to sent back under the terms of the arrangement, so they should have always been loaners, secured by money that would be given back. I am shocked that they only set the terms of that a few days ago, and then needed to scramble to change it after outcry.

And to your point.... Oh no, Apple gave them a support package. No, Apple should not squeeze their developers dry, Apple needs their developers - of course the developers deserve a support package when they are bringing M1 software out for the M1 launch. No developers = worthless platform. And, its not iOS which a large marketshare. MacOS has a small marketshare, and Apple Silicon had 0% market share when they asked developers to develop for it.

Apple would have been screwed if no body came out with native software right away.
Quite simply greed has become institutionalized to the point many feel very entitled to overuse/abuse other people for their benefit. Comments trashing the developers are coming from that point of view. I could go on but it would take an act of god to break people’s selfish programming.
 
"the millennial entitled snowflake generation".

I guess people like you have accepted that the world should get harder instead of life getting easier 🤷‍♂️

Defending a trillion dollar company. SMH.
This is why we can’t have nice things. And fanboy mentality in full display. Cruelty over humanity.
Recouping the cost of DTK rent fee is the least thing Apple should do to at least not anger developers.
 
This is why we can’t have nice things. And fanboy mentality in full display. Cruelty over humanity.
Recouping the cost of DTK rent fee is the least thing Apple should do to at least not anger developers.
Yes, Apple should have always treated this as a free lease upon security deposit, and a $500 coupon gets pretty close to that, so I think they finally did the right thing.

That being said, it is more than fair to criticize the manner in which people complain. Complaints from a place of assumed entitlement are insufferable and unacceptable. You can easily get what you want (whether or not you deserve it) by being assertive, yet cordial. One need not defend Apple to point this out. Some complaints were very constructive (e.g. saying Apple should step up being that DTKs were rife with technical issues, support was poor, etc.) and some were whiny, beyond useless, and should have been ignored (“Apple gave free iMacs in 2006 after Intel DTKs were returned and we again deserve to get more back than we put in”).
 
Apple makes considerable money off developers and their apps, so Apple did the right thing.
 
Quite simply greed has become institutionalized to the point many feel very entitled to overuse/abuse other people for their benefit.

What, as in "Wah! I want free stuff that I was never promised, as a reward for abiding by the contract I voluntarily signed, and anybody who disagrees with me is greedy!" ..?

Just a reminder of what was actually offered:

As part of the program, you’ll have limited access to a Developer Transition Kit (DTK), which will be shipped to you, for developing and testing your Universal apps. The DTK is owned by Apple and must be returned.


...that was at the bottom of the front page, in large friendly letters, not buried in the T&Cs. The T&Cs themselves (a mere 5 pages, not some bible-sized EULA) clearly say that you have to return the DTK whenever Apple asks. How some developers (who should have an iota of business/legal savvy) got the impression that they were buying, or even renting, a stable and reliable bit of kit for 12 months is beyond belief. If Apple failed to deliver what they actually promised then you may have a grievance with Apple, but don't get that mixed up with people who think that they deserve a free Mac.
 
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What, as in "Wah! I want free stuff that I was never promised, as a reward for abiding by the contract I voluntarily signed, and anybody who disagrees with me is greedy!" ..?

Just a reminder of what was actually offered:

As part of the program, you’ll have limited access to a Developer Transition Kit (DTK), which will be shipped to you, for developing and testing your Universal apps. The DTK is owned by Apple and must be returned.


...that was at the bottom of the front page, in large friendly letters, not buried in the T&Cs. The T&Cs themselves (a mere 5 pages, not some bible-sized EULA) clearly say that you have to return the DTK whenever Apple asks. How some developers (who should have an iota of business/legal savvy) got the impression that they were buying, or even renting, a stable and reliable bit of kit for 12 months is beyond belief. If Apple failed to deliver what they actually promised then you may have a grievance with Apple, but don't get that mixed up with people who think that they deserve a free Mac.
No one says they deserve a free Mac. If they paid $500 to "rent" it, then they should get their money back upon return, especially since Apple will scrap these things anyways, as they have no real value anymore. The money will still eventually wind up at Apple, so everyone wins.
 
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You consider $500 an arm and a leg? Interesting...
For any established developer it’s obviously not but there are so many small indie developers out there. Yes, for them $500 is a lot of money that they need to make back.

But Apple never promised anything, developers voluntarily paid it so they aren’t in a position to *demand* anything back.
 
Good move Apple, ultimately you seem to be listening more than usual which is a good thing.
 
Apple offered an iMac (Early 2006, 17-inch) in exchange for return for the PowerPC-to-Intel transition DTK. Them not offering to at least replace the Intel-to-Apple-Silicon transition DTK for an M1 Mac mini is comparatively stingy especially since (a) it is these developers that are moving this transition along in the first place and (b) Apple has more cash that they're sitting on than they'll ever know what to do with.
At that point you had to be a Select or Premier Apple Developer Connect (ADC) member (which meant you were paying at least $500/yr to Apple) and the DTK cost $1000. The iMac people got in return had a (starting) price of $1300.

So I guess, for you to be happy, Apple should have charged more for 2020 DTK such that the amount would have covered the price of an M1 Mac.
 
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Why does Apple want the Mac mini Developer Transition Kit (DTK) back? Is something inside that Apple does not want to be "discovered"? Really interesting.
 
Honestly these dev boxes should be loaners anyway as part of the dev program. That Apple tried to make a profit off them just shows how bad the unbridled hubris has gotten in Cupertino.
 
Why does Apple want the Mac mini Developer Transition Kit (DTK) back? Is something inside that Apple does not want to be "discovered"? Really interesting.
Probably just that they don’t want a machine potentially in arbitrary circulation that was never intended to have long term support. They have even said it won’t get updates beyond Big Sur 11.2.
 
David victorious again against Goliath.

Apple should be providing free Mac Mini M1 to develop for the platform.
 
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What, as in "Wah! I want free stuff that I was never promised, as a reward for abiding by the contract I voluntarily signed, and anybody who disagrees with me is greedy!" ..?

Just a reminder of what was actually offered:

As part of the program, you’ll have limited access to a Developer Transition Kit (DTK), which will be shipped to you, for developing and testing your Universal apps. The DTK is owned by Apple and must be returned.


...that was at the bottom of the front page, in large friendly letters, not buried in the T&Cs. The T&Cs themselves (a mere 5 pages, not some bible-sized EULA) clearly say that you have to return the DTK whenever Apple asks. How some developers (who should have an iota of business/legal savvy) got the impression that they were buying, or even renting, a stable and reliable bit of kit for 12 months is beyond belief. If Apple failed to deliver what they actually promised then you may have a grievance with Apple, but don't get that mixed up with people who think that they deserve a free Mac.
Well, the good thing is that Apple saw sense in the end and is better off for it. Wise move. Good lesson. Hopefully, they will keep peace and not fleece their golden geese.
 
Question remains, if the DTK „trade-in“ credit can be used to buy one, since it‘s still only valid towards purchase of an M1 Mac (until the end of the year).

Maybe that‘ll include M1X Macs?
"So instead of the 200 USD credit that expires in May, we are giving you a 500 USD Apple credit and extending the time you can use it to get a new ‌M1‌ Mac through the end of the year. If you already purchased a new ‌M1‌ Mac, the Apple credit gives you the flexibility to purchase any Apple product to help with your app development work."

I already have an M1 MacBook Air, so it appears I can use the credit towards any Apple product before 2022.
 
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