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The problem is Google is putting tons of resources into improving Google Maps... for Android. They have no motive to do so for iOS, in fact they have motive to not innovate on Apple's behalf.

One of they very few advantages of android over iOS is mapping. This looks like the first step in exploring other options, or a stall while they get their in house solution ready.

The same is true of Mountain Lion offering native Vimeo support over YouTube.

I would be shocked if there wasn't a new native map app in iOS 6. For what it's worth I think Google maps would still be available in the App store. In fact that might force Google to update it.

It has been known for a long time that Google has nothing to do with the Maps and Youtube apps on iOS, they just provide the data. It's Apple that makes the apps.
 
Trust me, we have looked long and hard at this and, at least in Europe, there is nowhere where we couldn't identify the source as OSM.

Prove it. You haven't provided any evidence. You've made a claim. A claim that you could have easily fabricated.

I'd be more open minded if people like you hadn't been telling lies about Apple for the past 30 years with this kind of BS claims. (EG: Antannagate)

Of course, months later, the claims are proven false, but by then you've already left the dishonest impression in people's minds about Apple.

Which is why you guys engage in this kind of propaganda in the first place.

Apple has a lot more credibility than you. And a track record of being proven right in the end.

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Sure, dude.:rolleyes:

Yeah, yeah, I know, its completely absurd for me to think the world is round when you insist its flat. I mean, you ROLLED YOUR EYES AT ME! How can bear the humiliation of you flat earthers?
 
Guys, I think it's obvious why they are using this map. It's not cost effective to pay google for an ios app that cost $4.99 and the majority of people are not going to use the map function anyway. By the time ios 6 comes out, this map will be gone in favor of their own in house brand and iphoto will most likely be the default photo app of all devices.
 
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You snipped out my evidence - it was a map I helped to make, rendered in beige.

No, I snipped your claim. You haven't provided any evidence that you helped make that map. This is a point I addressed in the message your replying to, which you clipped to pretend like I hadn't.

If you can't rebut the argument, that's fine. Don't pretend like I was making a different one.
 
Outdated... so what?

Google Maps is not that updated either. There is a bypass at this city here which has a bridge at 2 former intersections. One of them since years. Google would like you to turn on it - but there are no ramps... so, google might not be as outdated but outside of you metropolitan areas, it's not much better.

The other thing is the turn-by-turn navigation still missing being native of any iDevice! Apple buys companies which are basically irrelevant on the major GPS market. Why? Why could Apple not buy a company like TomTom or Garmin? They would get 3D maps for most continents and could use them anywhere? Okay, they don't have to buy them. Just cooperate with them instead of Google...
 
Why could Apple not buy a company like TomTom or Garmin?

I suspect TomTom and Garmin are using licensed map data. They are device makers primarily.

The map data itself is the crown jewels. Apple bought companies that are good at generating next generation map data, and so this seems like the right play for me.

(Unless you know TomTom or Garmin have their own map sets, I'm assuming they don't.)
 
Fanboys in this thread would still back apple if they ditched google search for bing
 
I've been using the Bing App and Bing Maps for a while now. The stock iPhone Maps application is in my 'Unused' folder. Purely because it uses a Google product.

I'm excited to see Apple severing all ties with Google.

Choice is a good thing.
 
I don't care which service they use, but the one place where I miss my Droid is on the road. Native iPhone maps just do not cut it.


get Waze from the app store. free navigation and free REAL TIME TRAFFIC. way better than google nav

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Google Maps is not that updated either. There is a bypass at this city here which has a bridge at 2 former intersections. One of them since years. Google would like you to turn on it - but there are no ramps... so, google might not be as outdated but outside of you metropolitan areas, it's not much better.

The other thing is the turn-by-turn navigation still missing being native of any iDevice! Apple buys companies which are basically irrelevant on the major GPS market. Why? Why could Apple not buy a company like TomTom or Garmin? They would get 3D maps for most continents and could use them anywhere? Okay, they don't have to buy them. Just cooperate with them instead of Google...

google also licenses map data from someone else. navteq i think.

last i read they only update every 2 years or so
 
The problem is Google is putting tons of resources into improving Google Maps... for Android. They have no motive to do so for iOS, in fact they have motive to not innovate on Apple's behalf.

I'd say that the fact that the majority of people are using iOS devices rather then Android devices is reason enough... unless, of course, the reason they make apps in the first place is so people DON'T use them.
 
The problem is Google is putting tons of resources into improving Google Maps... for Android. They have no motive to do so for iOS, in fact they have motive to not innovate on Apple's behalf.

They CAN'T do much improvement for iOS - the app itself was written by Apple.

Things that Google can improve from their end, such as feeding through better local transport data, have happened.

Bear in mind that Google don't make a penny from selling Android handsets. They make money from selling ads on Google maps. They want it to be as good as possible on iOS.

Phazer
 
Am I the only one who thinks this looks nice? I love the vintage style!

The vintage style is intentional, for the Journals feature. I’m sure they’re aiming to evoke a “world traveler” theme (like some of their photo album and movie themes have done before). I don’t care about it either way, but I get why it’s old-fashioned intentionally.

Clearly their first foray into OpenStreetMaps has some blunders (not providing credit the right way, using older data) but easily-fixed ones. And it’s not as though old street data in your photo journal is going to impact your navigation with the Maps app.


I don't care which service they use, but the one place where I miss my Droid is on the road. Native iPhone maps just do not cut it.

Free nav is never going to cut it. Google’s Android navigaton is a neat “kind of good enough” freebie, but so are Waze and MapQuest on iOS. In the end, the all fail when you’re driving and lose your cell connection!

I do NOT want network-dependent navigation! Not when Navigon MyRegion (my personal choice, but there are others) can be had for around $30. Works with no Internet needed, and MUCH nicer UI/features than what Google offers... plus it has Google local search built in. Best of both worlds.

No need to miss your Droid when $30 gets you something so much better.
 
I just realised that the map was of Cupertino.

Here's a comparison of OpenStreetMap, Bing! Maps, and Google Maps:

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and yes, I was bored, really bored :(
 
Pretty poor of Apple not to give credit where its due.

are we sure that is the case. The credit might not appear on every map but has it been checked that it is truly no where on the app or info about it on any source

It could be that it is but OSM saw a place for some free press and took it
 
I just realised that the map was of Cupertino.

Here's a comparison of OpenStreetMap, Bing! Maps, and Google Maps:

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and yes, I was bored, really bored :(

The map example you show for OpenStreetMap is not OpenStreetMap - in the US, Apple's source is US Census TIGER data.

Here is a tool you can use to compare OSM to Apple's tiles - but its only useful outside the US. http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/leaflet-apple.php

Also, there seems to be a lot of misinformation about consumer mapping in the comments. For example, yes Google uses some TeleAtlas data, but in the US, they mainly use their own data, which originally came from the US Census TIGER streets and Google's StreetView cars. Its also been rumored that Google hired a few hundred people to clean up the US map data. Google made a big splash when they dropped TeleAtlas for most of their US maps in October 2009. They originally used Navteq, which is more accurate than TeleAtlas in the US, but dropped Navteq in Sept 2008 after Naokia acquired Navtek. A few links regarding Google and TeleAtlas:
http://searchengineland.com/no-more-teleatlas-google-goes-it-alone-for-maps-data-27584

http://searchengineland.com/google-updates-maps-in-10-countries-teleatlas-going-away-55288

If you want to get really deep into all of the issues, there is an excellent Blog called TeleMapics dedicated to this at http://blog.telemapics.com/
And no, I'm not the blog owner.

To close - I personally think OpenStreetMap is the answer to consumer mapping in the long term, but it needs a lot of help, especially in the US and less developed countries - OSM is strongest in urban areas of Europe, for example check out major cities in Germany - those guys are really into OSM. Look around some major metro areas in the US and you will most likely see an impressive level of detail and accuracy (check out Disney World in Orlando), but look in rural and less populated cities, and you may see original unedited TIGER data (which was imported into OSM in the US in 2007). Apple and consumers in general would be greatly rewarded if they jumped on the OSM bandwagon and dedicated resources to helping to improve the maps and the software associated with creating, editing, and serving the maps (although the software side is pretty strong as it is.) What would be great if there were some "professional" OSM mappers and programmers sponsored by Apple, MapQuest (they are on the OSM bandwagon - check out open.mapquest.com), and others. Getting paid and paying others to work on open source projects is nothing new, and has proven to be quite successful. Anyone heard of RedHat?

https://www.linux.com/news/featured...e-billion-barrier-why-red-hats-results-matter
 
I repeat, there is NO EVIDENCE, Apple is using OSM data.

Remember, roads and even paths in the woods are publicly available and mappable information.

Every decent mapping system should show the same roads and paths, etc.

This is like claiming Apple's using google maps because they both show central park.

I think people fall for this kind of nonsense because there isn't really a good education in science and critical thinking in american schools anymore. I am constantly seeing people fall for pseudoscience these days.

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However, Apple, and the companies it acquired are working on some very cutting edge stuff, far better than Google, and so what we're seeing now is probably essentially a beta... to validate the overall system, not the ultimate quality. Google maps started out very poor in the early days too.

The question is, how fast will Apple improve, and it looks like they're aiming to improve faster than google is.


Sorry but your hypocritical post made me chuckle.

You're claiming their is no evidence that Apple is using OSM.

Then a little later you claim "Apple, and the companies it acquired are working on some very cutting edge stuff, far better than Google" with no evidence yourself. How do you know they are working on stuff far better than Google? Do you have some kind of secret information source inside both Apple and Google HQ?

I suggest you stop making yourself look silly trying to justify what Apple have done. They have stolen maps from the OSM project. They will remain classed as stolen until proper attribution is included on the maps, period.

I have another question for you. If Apple have some sort of amazing new mapping technology...why didn't they use that instead of OSM? You wouldn't switch to OSM only to move to another map solution 6 months down the line. You'd keep the existing maps in place and then just do one move from Google Maps to Apple Maps, assuming it ever exists.
 
I suspect TomTom and Garmin are using licensed map data. They are device makers primarily.

The map data itself is the crown jewels. Apple bought companies that are good at generating next generation map data, and so this seems like the right play for me.

(Unless you know TomTom or Garmin have their own map sets, I'm assuming they don't.)

Why does Apple just buy every street in the USA :rolleyes:

Google Earth is one awesome free program
 
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