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http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/04/instant.messaging.reut/index.html
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This might also be of interest...
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/04/instant.messaging.reut/index.html
Wow! If all this is true then....wow, with all the other stuff I don't see why Apple shouldn't be on top. I wonder what the camera would look like if they make one. And I hope it supportsmore of the AIM features like sending your buddy list because I keep telling my friends I can't and that I can't warn anyone, etc.
For those of you whining...
... about single-line iChat input, get a clue! You make Mac users look lazy and intolerant! Go to google, type in a few keywords (you don't need to be a rocket scientist either: "ichat haxie more lines input" works fine...), and VOILA:
http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/ape/
(it's called iChat enhancer - you have to read a little to find it)
Seriously, stop embarrassing yourselves! Do it for your Mac Community!
... about single-line iChat input, get a clue! You make Mac users look lazy and intolerant! Go to google, type in a few keywords (you don't need to be a rocket scientist either: "ichat haxie more lines input" works fine...), and VOILA:
http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/ape/
(it's called iChat enhancer - you have to read a little to find it)
Seriously, stop embarrassing yourselves! Do it for your Mac Community!
Does anyone remember the early webcams for the Sony Vaio's?
They were small, rectangular, very neat, and had a wire that hooked over the top of the laptop. An Apple one of those would be sooooo nice.
And I'd love to use iChat for MSN instead of 13-bounce MSN messenger (although the logging function they stole from MSN plus is a very nice addition)
AppleMatt
edit: Bluetooth webcam! Go Apple! found a pic of the Sony, not as nice as I remember, Apple could do better.
They were small, rectangular, very neat, and had a wire that hooked over the top of the laptop. An Apple one of those would be sooooo nice.
And I'd love to use iChat for MSN instead of 13-bounce MSN messenger (although the logging function they stole from MSN plus is a very nice addition)
AppleMatt
edit: Bluetooth webcam! Go Apple! found a pic of the Sony, not as nice as I remember, Apple could do better.
well if they are in fact working on this that would make sense. Quicktime 6.3 has h.264 listed as one of it's new supported codecs.
iChat fixes needed
I can name a very important fix lacking in iChat:
When AIM users send me a message, and I've marked myself "Away", they do not receive a reply message with my Away message. Instead they think I'm ignoring them.
My mother thinks that I'm selectively choosing who I will and won't chat with. This displeases her a great deal.
Please, please, please -- at the bare minimum get iChat features up to par with AIM if both services are to be interoperable.
I can name a very important fix lacking in iChat:
When AIM users send me a message, and I've marked myself "Away", they do not receive a reply message with my Away message. Instead they think I'm ignoring them.
My mother thinks that I'm selectively choosing who I will and won't chat with. This displeases her a great deal.
Please, please, please -- at the bare minimum get iChat features up to par with AIM if both services are to be interoperable.
You may want to keep an eye on:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19638
It sounds a little rough around the edges in it's current state, but if it matures faster than the iChat.app, then it might be a viable solution!
Re: For those of you whining...
While I agree with the letter of this law, I disagree with the spirit. We should be willing to help each other, not berate each other. Taking a little time out of your day from time to time to find little machacks and fixits and things will not only prove to better your enjoyment of your mac, but will also prove to be fun as well. I strongly suggest everyone when they're done with the boards here go visit macosxhints.com, since there is a veritable smorgasborg of information about your OS that you probably didn't know existed.
I've attached a screen shot of a basic iChat window with the input lines increased to 5 - it helps, and I found out about the hack from macosxhints.com.
While I agree with the letter of this law, I disagree with the spirit. We should be willing to help each other, not berate each other. Taking a little time out of your day from time to time to find little machacks and fixits and things will not only prove to better your enjoyment of your mac, but will also prove to be fun as well. I strongly suggest everyone when they're done with the boards here go visit macosxhints.com, since there is a veritable smorgasborg of information about your OS that you probably didn't know existed.
I've attached a screen shot of a basic iChat window with the input lines increased to 5 - it helps, and I found out about the hack from macosxhints.com.
New full camera not likely
That won't happen I'm afraid. you see, there was avery logical reason why Apple entered the MP3 player market. It wasn't just because Steve loves his music. It was also because NO ONE out there was doing it right, and Apple took charge and made an MP3 player the way people wished they could be- small, stylish, incredibly easy to use, with high capacity.
The way i see it, the digicam market is totally flooded with dozens upon dozens of cameras and makers. If Apple were to enter this, it would have to be absolutely midblowing for the general public to take notice, and unfortunately, any cam coming from Apple would prolly be really expensive too. I just don't think it woul dbe good for Apple to compete against makers like Sony, Nikon, Olympus, etc. Just too much competition to make it worth their while I'm afraid. I mean, I love the comcept you propose, but I really don't think Apple will do it.
On the other hand, a small webcam type device that hooks up into iChat with no muss and fuss would be VERY cool indeed. Let's hope TS' sources are accurate with this one.
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
Seriously (just to speculate a bit), if Apple made an actual hard drive based digital camera it would be the best thing to happen to digital cameras in years.
Remember Steve said he isn't entering the Phone market (thank God!) because Apple can't improve phones enough. But I'm pretty sure Apple could do some great things for cameras.
Here's hoping!
That won't happen I'm afraid. you see, there was avery logical reason why Apple entered the MP3 player market. It wasn't just because Steve loves his music. It was also because NO ONE out there was doing it right, and Apple took charge and made an MP3 player the way people wished they could be- small, stylish, incredibly easy to use, with high capacity.
The way i see it, the digicam market is totally flooded with dozens upon dozens of cameras and makers. If Apple were to enter this, it would have to be absolutely midblowing for the general public to take notice, and unfortunately, any cam coming from Apple would prolly be really expensive too. I just don't think it woul dbe good for Apple to compete against makers like Sony, Nikon, Olympus, etc. Just too much competition to make it worth their while I'm afraid. I mean, I love the comcept you propose, but I really don't think Apple will do it.
On the other hand, a small webcam type device that hooks up into iChat with no muss and fuss would be VERY cool indeed. Let's hope TS' sources are accurate with this one.
Re: New full camera not likely
I absolutely agree with your post. And to add to that, sooner or later, most people, whether they're in the market or not for a digital camera (read: wants as opposed to needs), will already have one.
If they had entered the market 3 years ago, then there might be some sense in it.
It'd be like them entering the PDA market now.
Originally posted by MM2270
That won't happen I'm afraid. [SNIP]
On the other hand, a small webcam type device that hooks up into iChat with no muss and fuss would be VERY cool indeed. Let's hope TS' sources are accurate with this one.
I absolutely agree with your post. And to add to that, sooner or later, most people, whether they're in the market or not for a digital camera (read: wants as opposed to needs), will already have one.
If they had entered the market 3 years ago, then there might be some sense in it.
It'd be like them entering the PDA market now.
Re: New full camera not likely
please guys - think. Were do people chat ? On the mobile. What kind of gadget have cameras ? the mobile. What software was just updated (among others) to support pictures to and from mobile phones and their cameras ? Answer left as an exercise for the reader
please guys - think. Were do people chat ? On the mobile. What kind of gadget have cameras ? the mobile. What software was just updated (among others) to support pictures to and from mobile phones and their cameras ? Answer left as an exercise for the reader
Re: For those of you whining...
Ummm.... you just proved his point: iChat by itself isn't good enough. You have to go and hack around it. I don't know about the limiting lines of text or whatever, but my iChat is dirt slow. I enter text, it thinks, and then responds. Blech. Add in the lack of protocols, tabs, and that it seems like every other chat out there for mac in general is better. iChat in it's current out of the box implementation leaves a lot to be desired. The one thing it does have going for it though is integration with the Address Book.
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Ummm.... you just proved his point: iChat by itself isn't good enough. You have to go and hack around it. I don't know about the limiting lines of text or whatever, but my iChat is dirt slow. I enter text, it thinks, and then responds. Blech. Add in the lack of protocols, tabs, and that it seems like every other chat out there for mac in general is better. iChat in it's current out of the box implementation leaves a lot to be desired. The one thing it does have going for it though is integration with the Address Book.
-p
Re: Re: For those of you whining...
"Isn't good enough" and "doesn't work" are two very different worlds when you're talking about software development. I'm not sticking up for iChat's lack of features or whatever, but simply put: if people put as much effort into complaining on message boards into finding solutions, then well... you get the point.
I understand that it wouldn't be nearly as fun for some people, though.
"Isn't good enough" and "doesn't work" are two very different worlds when you're talking about software development. I'm not sticking up for iChat's lack of features or whatever, but simply put: if people put as much effort into complaining on message boards into finding solutions, then well... you get the point.
I understand that it wouldn't be nearly as fun for some people, though.
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
You've gotta love optimism, though.
Seriously (just to speculate a bit), if Apple made an actual hard drive based digital camera it would be the best thing to happen to digital cameras in years.
there's already digital cameras available with hard drives built in, i believe using the same drives as are found in the iPod.
as i posted in a cellphone thread....SonyEricsson Z1010 has two cameras built in to it, one for pics like "normal" phones, and one facing you for video conferencing, now, with the new QT6.3gpp component, that makes me think that this is all tying together nicely, using iChat Video on a cellphone maybe?
It would be cool if the AppleCam (iCam?) was compatable with Windows, too.
Wouldn't be too surprising, either considering the port of iTunes/iTMS and rumors of Safari being ported.
We are Apple. Resistance is futile.
Wouldn't be too surprising, either considering the port of iTunes/iTMS and rumors of Safari being ported.
We are Apple. Resistance is futile.
Re: Re: Re: For those of you whining...
Yeah, and if it wasn't a half-assed program, you wouldn't have to waste time needlessly insulting people because they don't feel like doing Apple's work.
I have a quicker solution: I don't use the program. And I have no problem with people not wanting to waste time applying 'haxies' to make a program work like it should in the first place.
But maybe those of us who actually demand quality from a company are the crazy ones.
Yeah, and if it wasn't a half-assed program, you wouldn't have to waste time needlessly insulting people because they don't feel like doing Apple's work.
I have a quicker solution: I don't use the program. And I have no problem with people not wanting to waste time applying 'haxies' to make a program work like it should in the first place.
But maybe those of us who actually demand quality from a company are the crazy ones.
just a thought,
there seems like there are too many thing coming out for the WWDC. my thought is that they will probably save some of these things for later. either that or many of them are rumors
not to state the obvious of course
there seems like there are too many thing coming out for the WWDC. my thought is that they will probably save some of these things for later. either that or many of them are rumors
not to state the obvious of course
Mac and PC video conferencing..
Someone raised the difficulty of sharing a video link between and Mac and a PC - there is a program called SquidCam that does a pretty good job of it.
I've listed all the video conferencing software for OS X that I can find on my homepage:
http://homepage.mac.com/john_kenn/video.html
I'm looking forward to adding iChat v2.0 there!
Someone raised the difficulty of sharing a video link between and Mac and a PC - there is a program called SquidCam that does a pretty good job of it.
I've listed all the video conferencing software for OS X that I can find on my homepage:
http://homepage.mac.com/john_kenn/video.html
I'm looking forward to adding iChat v2.0 there!
What bugs me about iChat is that it only does one kind of chat - instant messaging - and doesn't do the other kind of chat - chatrooms. So it's great if it could do Yahoo Messenger, but it should tie into yahoo chat as well. Along with all the others, and in particular the mother of all chat programs, IRC, which is supported passably well by Snak on OS X and nothing else.
Re: Re: Re: Re: For those of you whining...
Haha. Name me one chat app on either platform that 100% of the people are satisified with.
Exactly.
We learn to make due, improvise and in the end, griping just turns your hair gray and cuts your life expectancy down. Plus! Plus! Get this: the people who can actually make a difference - they aren't listening to these forums! Isn't that a kick in the pants! So, unless you're submitting feedback directly to Apple (or anything else you can do to help them build their software), I seriosuly think sucking it up and fixing what we can ourselves is a perfectly valid solution.
Originally posted by suzerain
Yeah, and if it wasn't a half-assed program, you wouldn't have to waste time needlessly insulting people because they don't feel like doing Apple's work.
I have a quicker solution: I don't use the program. And I have no problem with people not wanting to waste time applying 'haxies' to make a program work like it should in the first place.
But maybe those of us who actually demand quality from a company are the crazy ones.
Haha. Name me one chat app on either platform that 100% of the people are satisified with.
Exactly.
We learn to make due, improvise and in the end, griping just turns your hair gray and cuts your life expectancy down. Plus! Plus! Get this: the people who can actually make a difference - they aren't listening to these forums! Isn't that a kick in the pants! So, unless you're submitting feedback directly to Apple (or anything else you can do to help them build their software), I seriosuly think sucking it up and fixing what we can ourselves is a perfectly valid solution.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For those of you whining...
Well, to get this back on topic: you're absolutely right.
I think the original poster was saying that there's a difference between not satisfying 100% of the people, and, like, making a text input field non-resizable, or not even providing a way to organize your buddy list (which is kinda difficult when you have over 100 chatting friends). Beyond that, I personally have experienced instability issues with iChat, and that's always inexcusable, regardless of who makes the program.
Right now I use Fire, only because it seems to be the best of the lot in terms of connecting to multiple services. The official AIM software is awesome because it allows you to apply actions and scripts to almost anything (such as when a particular person signs off or on). And, I use Yahoo! Messenger for videoconferencing with some friends who are on that.
So, I echo the original poster's post. I welcome the new features, but I still won't use iChat if it's as unpolished as it is currently.
Even you have to admit (I hope), if you compare iChat 1.0 with iTunes 1.0, there's no comparison, in terms of polish; iChat was obviously rushed out the door.
As for video: I hope it's interoperable with Yahoo!'s service, because I do have some Windows-using friends and clients that use that program for its webcam feature, which works quite well, I must say.
Well, to get this back on topic: you're absolutely right.
I think the original poster was saying that there's a difference between not satisfying 100% of the people, and, like, making a text input field non-resizable, or not even providing a way to organize your buddy list (which is kinda difficult when you have over 100 chatting friends). Beyond that, I personally have experienced instability issues with iChat, and that's always inexcusable, regardless of who makes the program.
Right now I use Fire, only because it seems to be the best of the lot in terms of connecting to multiple services. The official AIM software is awesome because it allows you to apply actions and scripts to almost anything (such as when a particular person signs off or on). And, I use Yahoo! Messenger for videoconferencing with some friends who are on that.
So, I echo the original poster's post. I welcome the new features, but I still won't use iChat if it's as unpolished as it is currently.
Even you have to admit (I hope), if you compare iChat 1.0 with iTunes 1.0, there's no comparison, in terms of polish; iChat was obviously rushed out the door.
As for video: I hope it's interoperable with Yahoo!'s service, because I do have some Windows-using friends and clients that use that program for its webcam feature, which works quite well, I must say.
Actually, iChat does allow large chats. It looks and feels almost exactly like a two-person IM, but you can have many more people.