Apple Vision Pro Battery Isn't Hot-Swappable, Switching Requires Restart

Abobrek said:
Except the Quest is made to workout in. There are apps and even a workout face pad to attach to it. Apple has made it VERY clear the AVP ISN’T for working out, hence the lack of Fitness+. Plus That headstrap and front seal would get SOAKED with dirt and sweat!
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So somebody makes a "workout face pad" for Vpro... and perhaps a washable workout headstrap too. I suspect that much like watch, there will be MANY "designer" Vpro straps + light seals hitting the market soon. Here's one already with 5 colors. Some such products could be washable and/or for workouts. Since the weight/balance/hair issues exist, entrepreneurs are probably working on alternative bands to try to resolve those issues right now.

And just because Apple isn't pushing Fitness+ doesn't mean nobody can make fitness apps for it. Think of the countless third party apps for iDevices with no Apple equivalent. And some of those are... yep, you guessed it... fitness apps.

This problem is easily reframed as an opportunity... or perhaps several opportunities both for Vpro fitness app creations and for fitness-related accessories. Think all of the gimbals to use iPhone for cinematography. What's the difference between a gimbal accessory and alternative head straps and face pads? It only takes an entrepreneur to decide to fill any apparent "I wish Vpro could..." want to address such problems.

Since workouts with Oculus are a POPULAR use of that set of "goggles", I have to think opportunistic app & accessory makers will bring the same to Vpro soon.
 
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8KYUP said:
Workouts should be great as they are in all VR. Accessory facial seals are available in every variety for Quest. I am sure the same will come for Vision pro. It is just a small magentic piece which fits inside the lightguard. VP comes wth two. Some parts are going to be consumables. Think watchbands.
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Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall any advertisements or statements by Apple that a user is meant to be moving around while wearing it. In most marketing I have seen, the users are sitting.
 
Even if the batteries were hot swappable, you'd still get a low battery warning and have to pause your movie to swap them. Still, that would be better than a complete reboot. Something for apple to improve upon in future models.
 
Abobrek said:
Wait…what?? A WORKOUT?? This isn’t meant for working out. Hence why Fitness+ isn’t available. And also, do you realize how dirty and sweat stained that headband and light seal will get? Plus the heat would be unbearable
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Definitely agree with you.

I cannot even do a workout with my over the ear headphones it bugs me so much.

And now while wearing a full on face hugger? Never going to happen. Try running or cycling in a gym. The motion and vibrations alone will cause the AVP to slide off… then the sweat.

Of course some folks' idea of what entails exercise or working out might vary. 🤣

Many people who seem to go to the gym just to sit or stand about, walk a bit on the treadmill, ogle the talent, stop at the juice bar for a donut "cause they've earned it" and call it a day.

So I guess that might be the kind of exercise a face hugger will allow.
 
AlastorKatriona said:
Most people seem to be done using it after about 30 minutes at a time and can't tolerate much more, so I don't think the battery life is any concern at all.
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That's because most people who've used Apple Vision Pro were given a demo that lasted 30 minutes, tops.

So far the experience where a dinosaur walks through a portal into your room and a butterfly lands on your finger is a top ten app that people use on the Apple Vision Pro every time they put it on.

Maybe we should let regular people use it for a while before claiming how long most people use it for.

My kids would stay in Gorilla Tag on the Quest 3 all day if I let them. I have to set a timer.
 
Wondering what the battery life would be if you have a low current charger, such as a USB port on an airplane. I assume that that would not be sufficient to keep the battery charged but it would last longer?
 
lovehateapple said:
Exactly, the unfortunate and dangerous precedent has been set, the government can now regulate just about every aspect of any product, instead of just letting companies and consumers decide for themselves what they want to produce, sell, and buy. :(
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Ironically, the market (customers and companies together) are the ones the promoted USB-C to its stature. Not any batshıt government. Customers were happy with USB-C, and more and more companies adopted it, and more and more customers were happy. If Apple had just followed what the market was saying instead of being stubborn about it, I doubt the EU would have even bothered with the legislation, or even thought of it. The only benefit to actually come out of it now is that cheap junk electronics will have to use USB-C instead of Micro USB.
 
doelcm82 said:
That's because most people who've used Apple Vision Pro were given a demo that lasted 30 minutes, tops.

So far the experience where a dinosaur walks through a portal into your room and a butterfly lands on your finger is a top ten app that people use on the Apple Vision Pro every time they put it on.

Maybe we should let regular people use it for a while before claiming how long most people use it for.

My kids would stay in Gorilla Tag on the Quest 3 all day if I let them. I have to set a timer.
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Even in early reviews the impression is the same. Isolating headsets make most people sick.
 
AlastorKatriona said:
Ironically, the market (customers and companies together) are the ones the promoted USB-C to its stature. Not any batshıt government. Customers were happy with USB-C, and more and more companies adopted it, and more and more customers were happy. If Apple had just followed what the market was saying instead of being stubborn about it, I doubt the EU would have even bothered with the legislation, or even thought of it. The only benefit to actually come out of it now is that cheap junk electronics will have to use USB-C instead of Micro USB.
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A bit more irony: Apple was one of the first to adopt USB-C in that micro Mac... then quickly adopted it on the rest of the computing lineup... and then iPads. Had they simply finished what mostly THEY started, GOV wouldn't have needed to force the issue.
 
Jamie0003 said:
Yeah how are Apple going to get away with this with the EU? Really hope future Vision Pros use type c on the device itself. Is there any reason why it’s yet another stupid proprietary connector?
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The Apple connector is lockable, USB c isn’t.
An important feature for a cable with a battery on the end hanging from a device.
 
AlastorKatriona said:
Ironically, the market (customers and companies together) are the ones the promoted USB-C to its stature. Not any batshıt government. Customers were happy with USB-C, and more and more companies adopted it, and more and more customers were happy. If Apple had just followed what the market was saying instead of being stubborn about it, I doubt the EU would have even bothered with the legislation, or even thought of it. The only benefit to actually come out of it now is that cheap junk electronics will have to use USB-C instead of Micro USB.
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The problem with the EU mandating USB-C is now we're stuck with it, since no company will take the risk of developing anything better out of fear the government will not approve it or force the new, improved connector into the public domain so all companies will have access to it.
 
hagar said:
Not true. Wearables are not part of the EU legislation around USB-C so this device is in the clear.

You keep pointing to all the magic happening when every device on the planet has a different charging port. But what the advantages!?
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I'm actually in favor of (voluntary) industry standards and common charging ports. What I'm against is an all powerful government that regulates every aspect of private commerce.
 
masotime said:
People need to stop measuring energy capacity in mAh. A is a unit of charge, not energy.

I was really disappointed that MKBHD made that mistake in his video.
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Return Zero said:
It really does drive me nuts how mAh is used instead of Wh for batteries. I think this comes from the days when battery cells had only two specs printed on them: nominal voltage, and mAh. Voltage was often single-cell lithium (3.7V) so mAh became the comparison (back before USB-C/PD days when every charger was 5V). Nowadays many batteries include the Wh on their label which is obviously just the product of the two and a much more appropriate value to compare.

One industry that comes to mind is electric power tools. They are all classified by their voltage platform (80V lawn mower, 18V drill/driver, etc.) which is usually printed somewhere big and bold. Then, the batteries are in Ah ratings. This makes a little more sense, but I still don't see why they don't just use Wh for the batteries so people could actually compare total output directly without having to factor in the voltage platform.
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Thanks to you both for chiming in with some easy to understand info on this thread. I agree: the marketers have really affected public understanding of energy and consumer batteries in particular.

Folks in electrical engineering or a related STEM field or just folks who have paid attention know that most people don't really understand - nor necessarily need to at all times - the difference between V, A, W, Ah, or Wh.

I can see how even a MacRumors writer might make this mistake, and i think they could do everyone a small service by using this as an opportunity to write a small tutorial about the difference and perhaps make a dent in this obviously widespread misunderstanding.
 
Jim Lahey said:
EU meddlers won’t be happy about a proprietary battery pack if this thing makes it to European shores 😳
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But the battery pack is using USB-C. The headset does not have a battery, so it is not regulated by the only-charge-using-usbc legislation nonsense, because it is not the device being charged. Also, as mentioned before, wearables are exempt anyway, like is the case for the Apple Watch.
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
A bit more irony: Apple was one of the first to adopt USB-C in that micro Mac... then quickly adopted it on the rest of the computing lineup... and then iPads. Had they simply finished what mostly THEY started, GOV wouldn't have needed to force the issue.
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Government never should have even touched the issue, but it is absolutely Apple's fault for instigating it.
 
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