If it can't have indefinite battery life while plugged like a MacBook then this is the dumbest idea ever
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Apple Vision Pro Battery Isn't Hot-Swappable, Switching Requires Restart
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I am pretty sure the EU legislation to make USB-C the new standard was not only targeted at Apple. Just look at how many different USB plugs there are, let alone other forms of power plugs with arbitrary power specs. Sure, Apple was pretty insistent on still using Lightning, but this is no where near a Lex Apple.
I don't see hot swap as a big problem for a first gen product.
A lot of people on MR will argue just to argue.
Oh it's even worse than that. And the EU simply isn't smart enough to understand it. How did USB-C even become the thing they chose to force upon everyone? Not by any government action. The free market made USB-C into the ubiquitous thing that it is. Companies were free to adopt it, and did because it's what their customers said they wanted. By passing laws that force companies to use USB-C, this same process can never happen again. No new standard to replace it can ever be developed and adopted the same way again. How incredibly stupid and shortsighted.
I'm not sure that's really a factor, because nothing about Vision Pro indicates that it's meant to be used away from a desk or a couch, or a power outlet.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Building upon this truth, about 2X years ago I purchased Powerbook G4 for about as much as this Vpro (much more now if one factors in inflation) with an incredible 2-hour battery life. Why did I purchase something with such miserable battery life? Mostly because I wanted to get a lot of work done on long flights. So how did I overcome that insurmountable problem of limited battery life. I purchased additional batteries to give myself 6+ hours of battery life. Here it is with one spare battery...
Was it hot swappable? No. So I had to "miserably suffer" through saving work, closing it down, swapping the batteries, firing it back up, then re-opening an app or two and resuming work. It was no big deal and the ONLY way to use that Apple tech for upwards of 6+ hours. No complaints at the time by me- I was glad I had a great new Apple tool for getting work done on long flights.
And what if I needed more than 6+ hours? I plugged it in for longer sessions... which I can still do today and it will still boot and run.
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There are popular production EVs which last under 2 hours under normal usage. So I don't know what you are trying to say.
How very grown up of past-you. The same cannot be said about many of the forum dwellers here, and mind you, they don't even own a AVP (or plan to buy one) and should not even be bothered by whether it is hot swappable or not.
I guess you'll just have to stay plugged into the wall.
I also guess people buying the Vision Pro will be grateful that it isnt sealed into the device behind warranty stickers, so when it does actually die, you can just replace the pack.
That is probably the only thing I find remotely useful about the device, mind you.
I also guess people buying the Vision Pro will be grateful that it isnt sealed into the device behind warranty stickers, so when it does actually die, you can just replace the pack.
That is probably the only thing I find remotely useful about the device, mind you.
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I'm pretty sure you'll want to take a break after 2-3 hours of usage as well. Unless you are an absolute monster like Joanna Stern.
Apple was in desperate need to shove VR down people’s throats.
It’s one of the biggest factors.
If you read Apple’s press release for the product, they mention mobility and wearability several times.
“An astonishing amount of technology is packed into a beautiful, compact design that utilizes the most advanced materials possible to achieve ambitious goals for performance, mobility, and wearability.”
The idea that Vision Pro wasn’t intended for mobility is silly. You don’t hear Apple talk about battery life for Apple TV, Mac Studio or HomePod because those are intended to be used at a desk or couch.
Introducing Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer
Apple today unveiled Apple Vision Pro, a revolutionary spatial computer that seamlessly blends digital content with the physical world.
www.apple.com
Any desktop pc and monitor, you can't just move them around without unplugging them.
I think a few - perhaps many - people believe AVP to be something to walk around, bring with you, use on the go etc; but I personally think that in the end the great majority will just use it at home or at work, where obviously there are power sockets.
I mean, wanna watch a movie? Sit on the couch/bed. Wanna work? Go at your standing desk - cuz you'll need a physical keyboard 99% of the times.
My opinion, obviously. We'll see if I'm right in a few weeks/months.
J Stern’s video review was definitely not like the others. I enjoyed all of yesterday’s reviews. My curiosity was mostly satisfied, but I was happy to be watching in on my TV while holding an iPad and letting my Apple Watch handle the dinner timer, hehe.
False comparison. You don’t interact with your eye mask and headphones.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I think almost the opposite: mobility is the big draw for me- great big screens I can summon while on the go. My #1 imagined use is for many long flights, when I'd like my desktop-sized screen R.E. vs. only 16" in a laptop. On the plane, on the train, at the hotel, when given a few hours at a client's office, etc- all seem like ideal times to summon the bigger screen to get things done. If I'm done, the ability to watch some movies on a giant screen and "wash away the plane" seems appealing too.
However, when at home or work, I imagine that much like the MB, it is in bag the majority of the time. I have a big screen TV at home for movies. It has great surround sound. When others are around, we'll watch on the home theater together.
When at work, I already have the big screen desktop monitor and the more powerful desktop Mac & PC connected to it. I'll use those and their big monitor instead. When I need to collaborate with someone, we'll collaborate on the big, physical monitor on the desk.
All that great stuff is anchored at those locations. I can't bring the giant TV or surround sound speakers onto the plane. I can't balance a 40" ultra wide on a tray table. All of that kind of tech is ideal when I'm where they are anchored. It's when I am AWAY from those spots where Vpro seems to offer enormous utility... much better than making do with a tiny phone screen, slightly larger tablet screen or even a 16" MB screen.
Does that mean I see no applications at home or office? Of course not. It very well may have great uses in either or both. But if that is the bulk of one's focus/time, I suspect they already have big screens and great computing tech at both locations. I see less purpose in Vpro if I had quick & easy access to my home or office setups at just about all times... UNLESS I didn't already have such equipment and might consider seeing if this could be a viable substitute for some of that. While I lean positive on Vpro, I lean negative on it being a substitution product for the traditional products. But maybe it works for someone's situation(s) in lieu of a home theater setup or in lieu of a traditional desktop office setup. I imagine it would not work as well... but maybe "good enough" for some people.
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Also per typical Apple they under promised and over delivered. Real world battery testing has been better.
It has a cord. Why does this silly comment continue to get made and upvoted.
Also per typical Apple they under promised and over delivered. Real world battery testing has been better.
it’s important to note that though there is sadly no hot swapping …the device per Brian Tong boots up in 37 seconds. So…big deal. All states are saved. You boot up in 37 seconds. I expect future versions will fix this but we are still talking about 37 seconds.
The Apple Vision Pro headset comes with an external battery pack with a capacity of 3,166 mAh, compared to the 3,274 mAh battery found in the iPhone 15 Pro, although the voltages are different so the measurement alone can't be considered equivalent. Reviewers have also reported that there are significant size and weight differences between the two.
For those considering buying an additional $200 battery pack, one thing to bear in mind is that Vision Pro batteries are not hot-swappable: As Gruber notes, there is no built-in reserve battery in the headset, so when the power cable is disconnected, Vision Pro immediately powers off. A manual reboot is therefore required to switch batteries.
WTF?
So..
No revived QTVR with updated Mac authoring tools..
No support for 3D video from action cameras on YT... (so no new superior immersive way to watch my motorsports misadventures..on a $3500 VR headset...)
No ability to use it with existing flight/racing sim hardware...
No Fitness+ support...
And, even if you decide you do want to use this as a $3500 home theater device that you can only really use by yourself, don't try to watch LOTR on it, because you'll need a 2nd battery and a *restart* (WTAF???) to do that..
What are the people inside Apple smoking? A years supply should be included with the AVP.. I want to see the colors in their world.
Not kidding..
This is nuts.
What's the point of this thing?
At this point I can't see any real value for it at $500, never mind $3500..
The more I read about this, the more disappointed I am.. Waiting decades for Apple to make something like this, and it's so disappointing and behind where they could have been decades ahead..
That tells me this won't be a good product for watching movies or working