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Honestly I think Apple should enter back into the router market. Give us an updated AirPort Express with wifi 6e or 7 and have them integrate with apple products better.

Apple has often said they will do products where they can do something better (and different) that everyone else, but if there is someone doing something very well then they are not as likely to do that. ( Apple buys screens and RAM from others. Apple doesn't do printers. etc. )

A router doesn't really have to "integrate better". It needs to do the job :
1. general internet security for EVERTHING on the local area network.
2. the 802.11__ standards signals.
3. the modem WAN interface ( keep up. > 1Tb/s )

Whose in home LAN now is 100% Apple products. If don't probably interact with the modem then whole thing is pointless (and the modem is a 100% non Apple device). There are also TVs, refrigrators , smart plugs , doorbell cameras , etc etc. The diversity of stuff on a local LAN network is substantially different now than 20 years ago.

The software that runs on the network on a variety of devices is better now. AirPrint (wire print ) isn't pointing at an Apple printer and/or a AEexpress attached printer. Stream audio. ... pretty device independent standard these days.
Protocols like Threads/Matter ... again device independent.

Even if narrow it down to just router administration. Administer router from an iOS/iPad app.... who doesn't do that at this point? Likely in a much more inclusive manner also because likely have an Android app also.

The growing barrier to entry for Apple is that the ISP's themselves want to rent/sell the router these days. (pretty good chance most ISPs have known the following for years , but some independent look at it. )

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Key findings


  • Opensignal data shows much faster performance for Broadband Download Speed on ISP-provided routers than on those third-party ones — around 60% faster for cablecos and telcos and around 45% for overbuilders
  • For cablecos, we observe a much greater concentration of low-speed readings among Bring Your Own (BYO) routers, while ISP-provided routers have higher concentrations of download speed readings at faster speeds.
  • Opensignal data demonstrates a correlation between a higher share of ISP-provided routers among a cablecos’ customer base and cablecos’ lower levels of churn among non-mover switchers (i.e. those who did not change addresses).
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There are bad modem/routers from cable vendors in some narrow cases , but, largely folks who buy their own routers/modems tend to squat too long on the devices. [ Usually where the ISPs provider gets into substandard performance zone is where they do the same thing. Using rental fees to move the equipment forward over time versus goose profits higher. ]

The ISPs getting into the Telephone ( VOIP and/or " MVNO+wi-fi calling " ) business it is even bigger hurdle ( especially with 'all-in-one' telecom/router/modem boxes ) .



It's part of the magic that would make everything work seamlessly.

But 'everything' on Wi-Fi pragmatically means non Apple products.

Similar issue with the Apple clients. Most mobile Apple devices will interact with a much higher number of routers outside of the owner's residence than inside the residence.



I had the AirPort Express for like forever until I recently upgraded to the Nest 6e mesh routers with wired backhaul, I would gladly prefer an Apple router in the future.

A highly competitive 'mesh' product just means even more interaction with non Apple products and deeper 802.11 standards Apple has to implement on the 'base station' side. Managing 'wireless' backhaul. Dealing with optional wired backhaul. etc.

By 2013-2015 players like Eero ( acquired by Amazon 2014) and Plume were springing up along with the other standard router players. Mesh somewhat stopped the complete dominance of 'race to the bottom' on router pricing. Once other players could sell more profitable routers , then they could add lots of features that Apple would have to heavily complete with (that Apple didn't necessarily have).


P.S. by 2013-2015 time frame the TimeMachine backup 'feature' of the Airport Extremes was largely diminished and undifferentiated also.
 
How many people have a WI-FI6E router?
1 in 100,000?
The first routers was Fall 2021. They were very expensive, I needed to replace an old one in Feb 2022 and decided on a Tri-Band WiFi 6 router. I could have waited for the 6E model that arrive about summer time 2022. Apple products started to offer 6E in 2023.

Unless you were one of those 1 Gbps + ISP users I saw no advantage and still don't for most usage for 500 Mbps connectivity via 802.11ax. Given the product being offered in Feb 2024, Apple is indeed being questioned on why it didn't choose to support 6E especially given a AVP user living in a environment without a large screen TV in the city might be a likely buyer. But as I said for people having 400/500 even 800 Mbps connectivity its not a brick wall, because even if you have less interference, you have less range with 6 Ghz.

What is more important is using a WiFi router that keeps automatically choosing channels in 5 Ghz band for optimal connectivity. Also in a dense neighborhood your router will still work correctly with other networks if it provides a stronger signal to your WiFi 6 device. My router with 1/2 strength set for the transmitter can go across the street and easily further then other immediate neighbors. There is no interference even though I have a few dozen that exist elsewhere closely.
 
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Yes - one of the primary use cases is wifi streaming of the display of your computer to your headset, and you want the fastest connection possible. Most people probably don't have other 6e hardware yet, but you don't want to have to upgrade your 3500 headset just to get faster wifi that should have been included outright.

You don't want the fastest connection for screen sharing. When you have enough bandwidth, you don't need more.
You want low latency.

Maybe Wifi 6E is even better for latency but I don't know.
 
You don't want the fastest connection for screen sharing. When you have enough bandwidth, you don't need more.
You want low latency.

Maybe Wifi 6E is even better for latency but I don't know.
More like not using wifi repeaters like Mesh. Just use a single powerful WiFi router connected directly to cable modem or fiber. 5G network connectivity has high latency also compared to more direct traditional ISP connections.
 
It would be interesting to know however why 6E was not fitted.
It's not a particularly complicated mystery.

Who knows when this device's development was finalized but it couldn't have been much later than 2020/2021.

The 6E standard wasn't adopted until late 2020 and then there was a 2021-2023 global chip shortage that prevented any manufacturers for including chips just because...many manufacturers weren't even able to supply the chips they needed let alone ones that wouldn't be used frequently.
 
It's not a particularly complicated mystery.

Who knows when this device's development was finalized but it couldn't have been much later than 2020/2021.

The 6E standard wasn't adopted until late 2020 and then there was a 2021-2023 global chip shortage that prevented any manufacturers for including chips just because...many manufacturers weren't even able to supply the chips they needed let alone ones that wouldn't be used frequently.

An excellent assessment!
 
I am actually very curious about the long term effect on your eye sight / vision and brain as well (I am not kidding). I have a Quest 3 and it is getting exhausting after a while, so much, that I am still squeezing my eyes for about an hour after I take them off. For instance, I am going on a trip driving for 3+ hours on Thursday, I will make damn sure I am not using my Quest beforehand. I dont want to end up causing an accident because my sight isnt very it should be.

It reminds me of my parents when I was a kid "dont get too close to the tv!"
The Developer's site contains useful information with design guidelines to prevent eye strain. There's a whole science behind it. Apple took good care of this. Still the issue of luminosity prevails, but based on available reviews, it shouldn't be a problem.
 
  • Opensignal data shows much faster performance for Broadband Download Speed on ISP-provided routers than on those third-party ones — around 60% faster for cablecos and telcos and around 45% for overbuilders
  • For cablecos, we observe a much greater concentration of low-speed readings among Bring Your Own (BYO) routers, while ISP-provided routers have higher concentrations of download speed readings at faster speeds.


What the heck?!?!?!?!?!?!?

How crappy and old are the routers that customers are using in this survey? Modern third party routers from respected brands in the $80 and up category UTTERLY **** ON ISP provided routers. Almost universally. It's night and day!
 
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What the heck?!?!?!?!?!?!?

How crappy and old are the routers that customers are using in this survey? Modern third party routers from respected brands in the $80 and up category UTTERLY **** ON ISP provided routers. Almost universally. It's night and day!
I wouldn’t think of paying rent on ISP gear when buying your own routers then it’s paid for in a year or a bit more. You can easily look up ISP recommendations for what they prefer customers to utilize and get something modern with better performance and security. ;)
 
I wouldn’t think of paying rent on ISP gear when buying your own routers then it’s paid for in a year or a bit more. You can easily look up ISP recommendations for what they prefer customers to utilize and get something modern with better performance and security. ;)
In the UK the ISP's give you their router for no extra charge... still best to avoid it!!!
 
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My AirPod pro gen1 makes white noise and Apple said it’s hardware issue and it’s not eligible product to replace. More than $20/mon to use nice earphone is too expensive for me. I wonder if this Vision Pro gen 1 also gives a headache. This gadget is more than 10times expensive than Air Pod pro and we may pay more than $200 or even $300 per month to use this if it fail within 2years. I was very interested in Vision Pro but since air pod pro sound issue and Apple’s response then I forget their fancy gadgets except phone and pad. Good luck for all of you.
 
True, you could have WiFi 7 if you can afford implementing the proper infrastructure, but still your internet connection will be your bottleneck, and even if you have the fastest Internet available, the content provider you are connecting to may limit the transfer rate for each user that connects to their services.

WiFi 6 should be more than enough for connectivity. It's over 1Gb (1000 Mbps) maximum transfer rate, and that's what most networks have these days (Uplink ports use 10 Gbps to interconnect switches and routers and avoid bottlenecks).
The main use for better wifi tech lies in home networking I'd wager, stuff like moving massive files over your local network without ever accessing the internet. That's where you can usually actually max out wifi speeds; I just can't see a use case in which someone would desperately need a little more than the already ludicrously fast current standard on his AR Headset.

Maybe a filmmaker has all his material on a server & wants the fastest possible speeds, allowing him to work directly from his server as if it were a high-speed USB drive. That's absolutely an use case. It's also something I doubt many if any would do on the Vision Pro, not in that manner or scale at least. If you'd use it for your workflow, you'd most likely just use the headset for the virtual displays, while your macbook/mac/whatever does the actual computing.
 
The main use for better wifi tech lies in home networking I'd wager, stuff like moving massive files over your local network without ever accessing the internet. That's where you can usually actually max out wifi speeds; I just can't see a use case in which someone would desperately need a little more than the already ludicrously fast current standard on his AR Headset.

Maybe a filmmaker has all his material on a server & wants the fastest possible speeds, allowing him to work directly from his server as if it were a high-speed USB drive. That's absolutely an use case. It's also something I doubt many if any would do on the Vision Pro, not in that manner or scale at least. If you'd use it for your workflow, you'd most likely just use the headset for the virtual displays, while your macbook/mac/whatever does the actual computing.
Exactly... For more speed, just plug into ethernet. I don't believe the VP will choke up with WiFi 6.
I do wonder if we will be able to use the USB-C port to connect accessories, like we can do on the iPad.
 
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