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Apple Vision Pro Lacks Wi-Fi 6E Support

vegetassj4 said:
Is 6E ready for primetime? I mean, from what I understand, you don't get any benefit from it unless you are in the same room as your router due to the shorter wavelengths.
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I'm sure everyone's situation is different but I just did a test. Next to the router with the iphone 15 Pro Max on 6e I got 1566Mbps down and 1597Mbps up. It's a 5Gbps internet. In my bedroom which has a large walk pantry between it and my den where my router is, so two walls to pass through I got 1536Mbps down and 893Mbps. I did multiple tests at both and the results were consistent. So looks like it does effect the upload speeds.

I'm not going to bother switching to a none 6e wifi but I did do these tests previously and every 6e device I have went from 800-900Mbps to above 1400Mbps on 6e.

I can tell you it that it absolutely makes a difference if you are watching 4k-8k 120fps 180 deg videos. Less buffering issues and significantly faster 5 second jump ahead presses when doing it multiple times in rapid fire.

As more people have VR headsets the quality of these videos are going to go up requiring more wifi bandwidth.

I was leaning towards a not strong maybe on buying the new Vision Pro on day one. I can afford it if I want it but it is still a significant purchase for me so not having 6e will probably lean me more towards waiting for the next Vision Pro 2.

The other factor affecting my decision was the lack of multiple desktop screens from a paired Macbook Pro. I was hoping to use it as a monitor replacement where you can have 2-3 screens floating in front of you. It works with Meta Pro and absolutely requires 6e. Without 6e there is tons of latency from the displays and mouse movement when you have more than one screen which maybe the reason Apple is only supporting 1 screen on their headset.

However honestly the technology isn't great yet on the Meta Pro and is more novelty especially when I tried it at my office where we didn't have 6e. I was really hoping it would be better with the Vision Pro where I use it a full 8 hours a day for work. And who knows maybe will be better if you just compare a single desktop on Meta Pro vs Vision Pro.
 
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divad1978 said:
I'm sure everyone's situation is different but I just did a test. Next to the router with the iphone 15 Pro Max on 6e I got 1566Mbps down and 1597Mbps up. It's a 5Gbps internet. In my bedroom which has a large walk pantry between it and my den where my router is, so two walls to pass through I got 1536Mbps down and 893Mbps. I did multiple tests at both and the results were consistent. So looks like it does effect the upload speeds.

I'm not going to bother switching to a none 6e wifi but I did do these tests previously and every 6e device I have went from 800-900Mbps to above 1400Mbps on 6e.

I can tell you it that it absolutely makes a difference if you are watching 4k-8k 120fps 180 deg videos. Less buffering issues and significantly faster 5 second jump ahead presses when doing it multiple times in rapid fire.

As more people have VR headsets the quality of these videos are going to go up requiring more wifi bandwidth.

I was leaning towards a not strong maybe on buying the new Vision Pro on day one. I can afford it if I want it but it is still a significant purchase for me so not having 6e will probably lean me more towards waiting for the next Vision Pro 2.

The other factor affecting my decision was the lack of multiple desktop screens from a paired Macbook Pro. I was hoping to use it as a monitor replacement where you can have 2-3 screens floating in front of you. It works with Meta Pro and absolutely requires 6e. Without 6e there is tons of latency from the displays and mouse movement when you have more than one screen which maybe the reason Apple is only supporting 1 screen on their headset.

However honestly the technology isn't great yet on the Meta Pro and is more novelty especially when I tried it at my office where we didn't have 6e. I was really hoping it would be better with the Vision Pro where I use it a full 8 hours a day for work. And who knows maybe will be better if you just compare a single desktop on Meta Pro vs Vision Pro.
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I would not be surprised if Apple has much better lossless video compression than Meta! The M2 chip in the Apple vision Pro is probably much faster too, and it can handle a more seamless compressed video stream.
 
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Reality is strapping a MIMO wifi hotspot to your head is a huge cancer risk. tons of EMF strapped to your head.

People will ignore this of course and probably yell at me here for bringing it up, but it is a reality of devices with Wifi and cellular built in.
 
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jz0309 said:
and if it did, you'd be complaining that you have to upgrade your router ...
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I'm still on wifi 5. I didn't see a big reason for 6 but I see the massive jump with 7 and how good it would be for streaming the massive video files required for for VR and with linking devices. with rumor articles the last few years about Vision Pro I almost though 7 was a requirement they were waiting for to make it work right... and now to find out its not even 6e is just bizarre to me... but its apple. they still stick wireless N in brand new HomePods...:rolleyes:
 
vegetassj4 said:
Is 6E ready for primetime? I mean, from what I understand, you don't get any benefit from it unless you are in the same room as your router due to the shorter wavelengths.
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Yes it is very useful for all distance. And by now for a 3499 device, wifi7 should be the standard.
 
Rychiar said:
I'm still on wifi 5. I didn't see a big reason for 6 but I see the massive jump with 7 and how good it would be for streaming the massive video files required for for VR and with linking devices. with rumor articles the last few years about Vision Pro I almost though 7 was a requirement they were waiting for to make it work right... and now to find out its not even 6e is just bizarre to me... but its apple. they still stick wireless N in brand new HomePods...:rolleyes:
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Wifi5=400-500mbps
Wifi6E=gbps

And it’s because apple only supports 2x2, and 80mhz on wifi 5 and 6.

Yes I need gbps+ for my work.
It’t just lame to not have wifi 6E
 
vegetassj4 said:
Is 6E ready for primetime? I mean, from what I understand, you don't get any benefit from it unless you are in the same room as your router due to the shorter wavelengths.
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That’s not necessarily true it is very dependent on the type of construction you have. If you live in a cardboard box aka drywall house, then 6 GHz penetrates 1 floor and wall.

But in a concrete cinder block type house then your analysis is more or less correct. But for a $3500 product in 2024, lacking 6E support is a glaring omission, given that cheaper Apple products have support.
 
Honestly I think Apple should enter back into the router market. Give us an updated AirPort Express with wifi 6e or 7 and have them integrate with apple products better. It's part of the magic that would make everything work seamlessly. I had the AirPort Express for like forever until I recently upgraded to the Nest 6e mesh routers with wired backhaul, I would gladly prefer an Apple router in the future.
 
Rychiar said:
My work machines are hardwired and 500 is plenty for the phone. VR could benefit from better speed though
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Yeah but not everyone has a home setup that hardwire is possible, and well AVP cannot be hardwired
 
Most people don’t even have a WiFi 6E router yet. Gonna wait till this headset matures and it will take time like 8 years or so
 
WilliamG said:
Yes. I'd like to be able to stream full UHD Remuxes from my Plex library without even a hint of buffering.
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I stream a lot of 4K videos, some over 100 Mbps, via Plex from multiple Plex servers without any buffering.

LogicalApex said:
see GbE speeds on my iPhone 15 Pro everywhere in my house on 6E. Without 6E, like my 14 Pro had, it was ~300Mbps to the same Ubiqiti U6 Enterprise AP. I have 2 for my 2500 sqft house.
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300 Mbps is really slow, unless you are talking about the far ends of the house. You should be able to get close to 930 Mbps close to the router with just WiFi 6, not even 6E.

klasma said:
So at best it will heat your head by 0.01 degrees
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Heat isn't the only issue. Some people are very sensitive to radiation frequencies.

divad1978 said:
can tell you it that it absolutely makes a difference if you are watching 4k-8k 120fps 180 deg videos.
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Where do you get those? A 4K movie ripped from the disk maxes out at ~110Mbps so even without 6E it should be able to handle it easily.
 
HDFan said:
I stream a lot of 4K videos, some over 100 Mbps, via Plex from multiple Plex servers without any buffering.



300 Mbps is really slow, unless you are talking about the far ends of the house. You should be able to get close to 930 Mbps close to the router with just WiFi 6, not even 6E.



Heat isn't the only issue. Some people are very sensitive to radiation frequencies.



Where do you get those? A 4K movie ripped from the disk maxes out at ~110Mbps so even without 6E it should be able to handle it easily.
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I have a lot of Wi-Fi networks around me, so the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands are very congested.
 
Don't think there is any issue with the lack of WiFI 6E. Surprised to hear that there is no Ultra Wideband support
 
DblHelix said:
This price it is it should be an early supporter of Wifi7 and also should support 802.11ad (multi gig wifi)
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If that’s not sarcasm then I don’t think you get AVP or the concept of launching a new product in a new product category.

This isn’t the next spec bump for the hit device that’s been out for 5+ years.

This is something new and Apple just wants to see if it can “swim” at all.

It’ll get all the latest hardware once it matures and actually starts turning meaningful profits.
 
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Rychiar said:
but its apple. they still stick wireless N in brand new HomePods...:rolleyes:
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In those instances it’s (somewhat of) a technical problem. The HomePod mini uses the S5 and the HomePod (2nd generation) utilizes the S7, both a system in package developed for the Apple Watch. These SiPs include a USI Wi-Fi module that connects via SDIO. And, well:
SDIO bus bandwidth limits the performance of most Wi-Fi radios. There may be some moderate performance improvement moving from 802.11n 1x1 to a 802.11n 2x2 implementation. Qualcomm Atheros does not even offer 802.11ac 2x2 radio with a SDIO interface for this very reason.
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Why did Apple choose to go with their SiP in the latest HomePods versus sticking with an A-series SoC, which doesn’t contain the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip(s), like in the original HomePod? Is it purely cost reduction, cost reduction but objectively without noticeable performance loss anyway, etc? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Although, based on comparison reviews of the original versus 2nd generation HomePod, processing performance is the same or, in some cases, better on the successor.

P.S. There is also this rumor:

www.theverge.com

Apple is reportedly making an all-in-one cellular, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth chip

Apple might be moving away from Broadcom.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
 
IlluminatedSage said:
Reality is strapping a MIMO wifi hotspot to your head is a huge cancer risk. tons of EMF strapped to your head.

People will ignore this of course and probably yell at me here for bringing it up, but it is a reality of devices with Wifi and cellular built in.
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Damn.

I’m not a VR headset owner and never thought of this.

I really don’t think any phone or wireless headphones bring this many wireless radios this close to your head.

I wonder what AVP is rated in terms of RF radiation.

Is it less than an average iPhone because there’s no cellular on AVP. Or is it more than an iPhone because of a (presumably) much bigger WiFi module on AVP?
 
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WilliamG said:
I have a lot of Wi-Fi networks around me, so the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands are very congested.
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I am in contention with ~80 networks on the 2.4 and 5 Ghz frequencies and haven't had a problem with either of my 6E routers even when not using 6 Ghz. I am the only one on the 6E 6 Ghz network when I do use it so that is something to consider.

 
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