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It very much reminds me of cutting-edge, clunky, very expensive tech in the 80s or 90s that is now widely used, refined and affordable. That is what the Vision Pro should be seen as. Don't buy now, but wait for the future.
 
It very much reminds me of cutting-edge, clunky, very expensive tech in the 80s or 90s that is now widely used, refined and affordable. That is what the Vision Pro should be seen as. Don't buy now, but wait for the future.
The first cell phones were the size of walkie-talkies and cost a fortune, probably close to what the AVP costs in equivalent dollars back then taking inflation into account. Look where we are now with cell phones. Cell phones were a remarkable innovation in the early 80's where very few had them. Now they're so commonplace, small kids have them and they're much smaller. Ten to fifteen years from now, we'll all be sporting our combination computer, phone, and tablet in our sunglasses using a lot of the innovations the AVP pioneered.
 
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For the love of god... don't remove EyeSight. As a Vision Pro user, it's really something that shouldn't be removed, but rather improved. Yeah, sometimes its appearance is odd, but other times it's not so bad. But it would be way worse to just have a solid exterior when the point of the headset is the combination of both "worlds".

And before someone says that it should be removed because its "useless" and would "reduce cost if removed"... Read the BoM first, then calculate the cost of the micro-OLED displays for 400,000 units... It's not the AMOLED exterior that's the problem...

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How much does it weigh though?

I agree in principle but I feel like they will solve this in the next version with actual optical passthrough like traditional glasses.

I just don't see how this can ever work the way they intend it.
 
The first cell phones were the size of walkie-talkies and cost a fortune, probably close to what the AVP costs in equivalent dollars back then taking inflation into account. Look where we are now with cell phones. Cell phones were a remarkable innovation in the early 80's where very few had them. Now they're so commonplace, small kids have them and they're much smaller. Ten to fifteen years from now, we'll all be sporting our combination computer, phone, and tablet in our sunglasses using a lot of the innovations the AVP pioneered.
You know as part of your analogy you just told everyone with an Apple Vision that they just bought a really big overpriced brick that people won't believe you would buy and own in a few years time. Not saying you are wrong though.
 
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You know as part of your analogy you just told everyone with an Apple Vision that they just bought a really big overpriced brick that people won't believe you would buy and own in a few years time. Not saying you are wrong though.
FWIW at least some of us knew that going in.
 
One battery. I keep it plugged in most of the time. I’m seated all day except for a few times when I get up. If I decide to wear the VP out of the room with me where I’m walking, I’ll unplug. It would be nice to have more battery life I guess, but the battery isn’t a concern for me and my use case.

So when I take off and put back on, all the screens are right where I left them. The virtual display has to be repositioned, but that’s very quick, and I’m usually regularly repositioning it based on my current body position for convenience purposes.
That makes sense.

And on a side note, coming from someone with back issues, please get up an move around more!

Once the back goes and disc's get damaged its hard to come back to 100%

I say this with care.
 
FWIW at least some of us knew that going in.
yeah never stopped me buying a brick phone - I though they were amazing at the time........
I do wonder how old a lot of the people with the negative comments as I have seen a lot of tech from clunky crap to amazing. And the AVP is certainly technically outstanding - it's just expensive and too big and heavy for consumers. Funnily enough just like the original briefcase phones.
 
You know as part of your analogy you just told everyone with an Apple Vision that they just bought a really big overpriced brick that people won't believe you would buy and own in a few years time. Not saying you are wrong though.
That's technology. Early adopters get to experience new stuff for higher prices and bulkier gear. Remember the original Mac laptop called the Mac Portable? That was a 15 pound beast with a tiny screen. People bought those things. Now we have a MacBook Air that's probably a thousand times more powerful and a lot smaller. Everyone who bought an AVP knows that it'll get smaller, faster, cheaper.

 
It is a good product for sure. With future refinements and price reductions expecting a wider adoption. The true innovation will be to have AR glasses from Apple.
 
I dont think it should even be for sale to consumers. Should have been a subsidised developer only device for a few years. Maybe then I would be actually working on it instead of meta...............l
Exactly how subsidised would you have wanted it? If you would rather have the zero potential customers of a developer-only device versus a couple of hundred thousand actual potential customers, I assume you would have wanted Apple to pay for most of the AVP for the developers? They could have done the rental system like the Apple Silicon Developer Transition Kit, where you pay $500 and then have to return the unit after 3 years, I guess, but then it isn't like you or Apple have any potential for return on investment for another 3 years.

The technology would then also either be stuck at that version for 3 years, or you would be developing for a version that never really shipped. And those existing customers are happy would not have been able to buy a device they are currently getting to enjoy (and those that aren't happy would not be able to complain about it here... though I see lots of non-customers complaining, so I guess they could have.)
 
Exactly how subsidised would you have wanted it? If you would rather have the zero potential customers of a developer-only device versus a couple of hundred thousand actual potential customers, I assume you would have wanted Apple to pay for most of the AVP for the developers? They could have done the rental system like the Apple Silicon Developer Transition Kit, where you pay $500 and then have to return the unit after 3 years, I guess, but then it isn't like you or Apple have any potential for return on investment for another 3 years.

The technology would then also either be stuck at that version for 3 years, or you would be developing for a version that never really shipped. And those existing customers are happy would not have been able to buy a device they are currently getting to enjoy (and those that aren't happy would not be able to complain about it here... though I see lots of non-customers complaining, so I guess they could have.)
Just because Meta lives under “Lose billions until you win,” that’s in no way a sustainable mantra unless there’s virtually limitless dollars coming in. And, that’s Meta.

Oh, and never undersell the ability of a non-customer to complain :)
 
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