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Apple Vision Pro :: No (Arguably Obvious) Outward Recording Indicator
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There is no privacy when you are in public.
If true, then undoubtedly it's something that will be corrected eventually, but...
I don't know, it's kind of funny to me. I'm trying to think of any scenario at all where the idea of recording other people while wearing Vision Pro isn't disturbing by itself, with or without an indicator. If you're with your family, and you say "hang on I'm going put on the headset so I can record this in 3D"...I'm not sure they need the indicator. If you're walking around in public wearing this thing AND recording people while doing it...you have other problems besides the indicator.
I don't know, it's kind of funny to me. I'm trying to think of any scenario at all where the idea of recording other people while wearing Vision Pro isn't disturbing by itself, with or without an indicator. If you're with your family, and you say "hang on I'm going put on the headset so I can record this in 3D"...I'm not sure they need the indicator. If you're walking around in public wearing this thing AND recording people while doing it...you have other problems besides the indicator.
I assume you've seen the videos of folks driving with these on?
The situation is already worse than I would have imagined
Non issue, there are more discrete ways to record than a big AVP in your head. People holding iPhones can easily record or take pics with out any giveaway. Unfortunately, there is no concept of privacy in Public for over a decade. If these were compact glasses, I would be worried. I would expect a guy with Apple Vision Pro to be walking the streets like smart phone users.
You’re constantly being recorded without your awareness if you’re in public.
Still needs an indicator
Heck, you could have a creepy uncle doing this at your house during a family gathering
(I'm not joking -- many of us have "that family member")
That's not in public
Anything recording needs a clear outward indicator
I can't even believe this is controversial
What on Earth is the argument for not having a recording indication?
Tbf, you hold your phone different when filming than reading. You could try to angle it, but I think it would be quite obvious.
Isn't it required in Japan to have a non-muteable shutter sound on phones when taking pictures to alert people?
I tested this with a partner and neither of us noticed any obvious white indication on the front.
Which is absolutely, possibly, on us; but, the front screen isn't exactly clear to begin with.
I also respectively disagree - you're heads-up with a AVP, at a 90 degree angle most of the time - looking forward.
You don't normally have your phone at a level view of your eyes, which always seems obvious when someone is taking a photo or recording.
Not necessarily saying this is a privacy concern, I was just curious to know what the community's thoughts were.
I don't know if I would agree that the header is misleading. There may be a white light during recording, which I didn't see, but that isn't a clear recording indicator to the general public. an indicator, maybe, but not one that makes "recording" obvious by any stretch of the imagination.
Although, I do agree that recording in public, is well, legal I believe - so, this is a moot point.
Just surprised Apple didn't make it more obvious.
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I guess the obvious one would be that it has an effect on your recording by adding light.
I agree 100%.
I guess I was more-so thinking about the recording in public.
And yes, I think you'd have other problems if you wanted to directly record others without their consent.
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This might be the case!
Although, a simple red recording dot with a "recording time lapsed" timer would be more obvious and less light-intrusive in my opinion.
I would think white would be less intrusive than red. Since red would change the color of the subject. And adding a timer would be worse in that the light source would be changing.
I'm sorry, I don't get it.
Why would this be an issue? Exactly what problem is solved by showing a recording indicator?
Also: where do you draw the line if you actually want to enforce this arbitrary rule of letting people know when they are recorded?
Wouldn't a blinking light be insufficient in many cases?
Should a device make sure that everybody around you knows that you are recording a video?
Should a device continuously emit a loud sound while recording so that everybody is aware that you are recording a video?
Why would this be an issue? Exactly what problem is solved by showing a recording indicator?
Also: where do you draw the line if you actually want to enforce this arbitrary rule of letting people know when they are recorded?
Wouldn't a blinking light be insufficient in many cases?
Should a device make sure that everybody around you knows that you are recording a video?
Should a device continuously emit a loud sound while recording so that everybody is aware that you are recording a video?
Entirely possible!
Maybe the short answer is - Apple sees this as a similar low-level privacy concern as a smartphone or iPad, like others have suggested. It's also noteworthy to point out that "you have no inherent privacy in public," like others have suggested.
But, I do think it's credible to mention that Apple screams and advertises "privacy first," and that holding up an iPhone or iPad would be arguably more obvious than recording someone in an Apple Vision Pro - where the facing direction doesn't change/show obvious recording is occurring.
It was also helpful to hear that a "white pulsing" light shows on the outer-screen, but neither myself or my partner noticed this; which, arguably defeats the purpose if it isn't obvious enough. I would not consider this an obvious recording indicator to the general public, especially the large majority that haven't used a VR headset.
Thank you everyone for your comments!
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Clearly letting anyone around the device know that they may be getting recorded.
Why not show such a thing?
That's the question to be asking
And phones should show if you’re being recorded
There's a reason Japan has an enforced shutter sound when pictures are being taken (that can't be user disabled)
They get it.
You've asked the same question three times now. I answered the first time.
Feel free to lobby governments of the world to make it so