Apple Vision Pro :: No (Arguably Obvious) Outward Recording Indicator

[TechnoMonk]

Say there’s someone who doesn’t want to be recorded without their knowledge.
That person may feel that this is a problem.
Having an indicator solves that problem, and the hardware already exists to solve that problem.

Be mindful that I have not said anything about what is legal, or what people should expect in public.
I also did not mention that smart phones, and iPads do this without an indicator currently.

I think the above problem/solution scenario above is relatively possible and a solid example of what you are requesting.

Most of the viral videos catching some one do something are recorded by a phone with out any indication. Good luck putting a cap on that now. If I wanted to record in stealth mode, AVP would be the last device I will use on a street or in public. I don’t need red flashing and distracting others in public. There is no law preventing taking pictures in public, if that’s the case ban cameras with zoom lens.

 

[TechnoMonk]

It's rage bait for the concern trolls.
I'm not saying it's not a stupid thing to do, but they are doing it precisely because it's a stupid thing to do.

Pretty standard viral clickbait stuff. Controversy sells.

 

[TracerAnalog]

I mean, phones don’t show if you’re being recorded

Indeed, but you are holding it in a very obvious way. That is a major clue. On the other hand(s), I have seen many ‘influencers’ or vloggers walking around with a small camera (on their body), recording anything and anybody. Also no clear ‘record’ indicator and it always creeps me out. And what about security camera’s?

I would prefer all video cams to have clear indications when recording, including the AVP. But that ship has sailed 😊. Welcome to the 24/7 surveillance society😁

 

[Timpetus]

Indeed, but you are holding it in a very obvious way. That is a major clue. On the other hand(s), I have seen many ‘influencers’ or vloggers walking around with a small camera (on their body), recording anything and anybody. Also no clear ‘record’ indicator and it always creeps me out. And what about security camera’s?

I would prefer all video cams to have clear indications when recording, including the AVP. But that ship has sailed 😊. Welcome to the 24/7 surveillance society😁

Considering hidden cameras have existed about as long as cameras in general, and another device indicating whether it is recording does not preclude the possibility of also being in view of a hidden camera, it's best to assume you're being recorded unless you're in your own home and you trust every person who's ever had access to your home not to have hidden a camera there. Forcing easy targets to make concessions will actually reduce privacy and security, as it will give people the false impression that hidden cameras no longer exist.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Considering hidden cameras have existed about as long as cameras in general, and another device indicating whether it is recording does not preclude the possibility of also being in view of a hidden camera, it's best to assume you're being recorded unless you're in your own home and you trust every person who's ever had access to your home not to have hidden a camera there.

Nah, that's exactly the wrong way to look at things

That's backwards logic and reductionist to the lowest common denominator in all situations

"Something might happen so just assume it always is and give in to it" ... no no no

 

[TechnoMonk]

Nah, that's exactly the wrong way to look at things

That's backwards logic and reductionist to the lowest common denominator in all situations

"Something might happen so just assume it always is and give in to it" ... no no no

It’s called realistic view. You can’t control every device, unless all cameras are banned in public. In a utopian world sure.

 

[Arran]

It’s called realistic view. You can’t control every device, unless all cameras are banned in public. In a utopian world sure.

Indeed. Requiring explicit consent from anyone and everyone in public would end photojournalism. That would be a bigger problem, IMHO.

Thankfully the opposite precedent is established - which means we‘re all free to switch on the news and see what’s happening in the world. Would the following image have been possible if the cameraman had to go round asking for everyone’s consent?

And what about everyone’s doorbell cameras? Are we all supposed to turn them off so thieves can steal our Amazon packages?

 

[Timpetus]

Nah, that's exactly the wrong way to look at things

That's backwards logic and reductionist to the lowest common denominator in all situations

"Something might happen so just assume it always is and give in to it" ... no no no

That's a pretty extreme misunderstanding of my point.

What's your suggestion, then? Ban all cameras that don't have a certain type of recording indicator? How are you going to accomplish this worldwide? If you don't, it'll have exactly the effect I predicted: lulling people into a false sense of security, believing they aren't being recorded and dropping their guards accordingly.